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Subject: Russian expansion
RussianStar    4/22/2004 5:31:48 PM
I'm just wondering who could the Russian army defeat and take their nation?
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tank    RE:Russian expansion   4/22/2004 9:05:56 PM
I may be wrong but that is about the last thing the russian army should be trying to do.First they need to get full organization back.they would have to have mass transport,and buy what i am reading that would be a issue right now,on the other hand russia should be worried about keeping its borders secure,with china and nato right at the door.the best thing for russia is to rebuid for the future,certainly invading and occupying a nation would not be possible at this time..
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sentinel28a    RE:Russian expansion   4/23/2004 3:26:19 AM
If we're speaking hypothetically, Russia could regain most of its former Soviet member states, with the exception of the Ukraine and the more mountainous Caucasus republics. I think it could sweep into the Balkans, but would have a real problem in the former Yugoslav countries, who once stayed united for precisely that reason (though Moscow might be able to swing a deal with the Serbs). Finland, Poland, Germany, Greece, and Turkey would halt the Russians cold at their borders, or at the Vistula and the Bosporus. Expanding east, Russia has no room to go--they either end up in a war with China or the United States, neither of which is a particularly enjoyable option. Of course, this is assuming some restructuring of the Russian armed forces, updating of equipment, and Putin going stark raving mad. Now if we're talking about 10 years from now, and assuming Russia pours a lot of money sensibly into building a better armed forces, then the possibilities increase.
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RussianStar    RE:Russian expansion   4/25/2004 1:37:00 AM
Yes, I believe we could take back most of the former Soviet republics, some might join without a fight but yes Germany and other nations won't be conquered. As for our soldiers we are trained pretty well ... but supplies are limited and the orginized crime buy's weapons for much cash from us so the general could get new ones. I don't know what's wrong with our army some of the tactics are old fashioned and we need to get rid of our old communist generals.
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Final Historian    RE:Russian expansion   4/25/2004 12:53:11 PM
"I don't know what's wrong with our army some of the tactics are old fashioned and we need to get rid of our old communist generals" The crux of the issue. Russia's military is held back by many things, but the leadership is the most critical, as that affects everything else. Replacing the Cold War Soviet era generals is something that Putin needs to make a priority. They are caught up in the past, and Russia needs to look to the future.
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tank    RE:Russian expansion   4/26/2004 1:37:41 AM
Russia should invade iran,and do the u.s. a
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roadcop    RE:Russian expansion   4/27/2004 3:17:16 AM
Well, if Bush will be re-elected... I think US will invade Iran themselves...
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Final Historian    RE:Russian expansion   4/27/2004 3:18:52 AM
Not impossible, though such speculations should be reserved for the Iran thread.
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roadcop    RE:Russian expansion   4/27/2004 4:00:26 AM
Tank started it ;-)
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tank    RE:Russian expansion   4/27/2004 12:52:29 PM
Their you,sneaky russians go again blaming someone else.LOL. btw I thought that did pertain to the original thraed SORRY,
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roadcop    RE:Russian expansion   4/28/2004 1:09:02 AM
Okay, we cant invade Iran without invading Azerbajan first. And Azerbajan is (formally) our Ally and CIS member. Certainly its ruled by heir of iron-handed dictator Aliyev, and such things as human rights, free press, etc. are not popular there. But for Russia lack of democracy is not a reason for invading another country. Although some of them deserve to be occupied and cleaned from their feudal leaders (like Turkmenia). Well, in 1980-s we had military forces and Russian-speaking population support there (in ex-USSR republics). Dont mention Baltic States (which are another issue). But in Central Asia and Caucasus retreat of Russian Forces have caused bloodiest civil wars. As some people told me, there was a direct order to local Soviet Army units to remain in bases. Soviet Army could easily defeat rebellions in 1988-1990 in Central Asia, but these regions were surrendered to anarchy and terror.
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