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Subject: chinese invading
Ben    5/31/2002 8:57:18 AM
Why are we worried about Chinese invading us, is it that serious?
 
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Condor Legion    Slugfest   8/3/2003 11:13:25 AM
uh. The Russians would not butcher a Chinese invasion. Nor would the Chinese be in any way shape or form successful at invading Russia. The whole shooting match would bog down into WW1/Iran-Iraq style trench fighting and long-range artillery duels (which the Chinese would have some advantage with their Bull designed guns.) NO SWIMMING IN THE AMUR, CL
 
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CCCP    RE:Slugfest   8/4/2003 5:32:29 PM
lol chinese arty? good joke! lol how many art systems does china have, anyway?
 
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MTS    War these days is not fought with weapons   8/10/2003 5:24:49 PM
The world has changed a lot in the last 2 decades. People are primarily motivated by money not by patriotism. I have read several reports on Chinese control over Russian far east, most of it overblown, however I understand the overall picture. With the booming economy in China, the Chinese have a lot of consumer products to offer the Russians, whereas the Russians can only offer natural resources to the Chinese. Don't get me wrong, I don't think China could carve out pieces of Russia nor any other country using force. But, these days it is about economic control not political control. I would say that the Chinese have a big influence in the Russian Far East now due to corrupt officials. It is also about how diligent the Chinese are compared to some other peoples. I don't quite agree with this statement either: "They're surrounded by people who don't particularly like them, to say the least: Japan, the Phillipines, Russia, India, Vietnam" Let me say first that history shows neighbours never get on well. Look atthe Europeans, they went to war for centuries yet in the end it was economic liberalisation which brought them all together. There will come a time in Asia and in fact it is happening now, when Asians would drop all these nationalistic notions and concentrate on making money and building trade. The Japanese invaded all of south east Asia yet most would welcome Japanese today because they bring in money. The fact is that people only care about their own pockets in liberal societies. Even in China, people are materialistic today more than ever. I don't agree the Japanese hate the Chinese because if that were ture, it would be based upon paranoia rather than anything else. Theyhave no reason to hate the Chinese, in fact they should be greatful they received so much culture and technology from China in the past. I also visited Vietnam, there is no sign they hate the Chinese. As one Vietnamese said to me, the war is a war, it was the past. In fact, Americans are welcomed in Vietnam because they are there to spend money. As for Russia, if they hate the Chinese, isn;t this a case of racism? The resources in Russia could be used by the Russians themselves but they don't make full use of it, the Chinese are merely customers for these resources. In return, the Russians want to buy Chinese products. I understand that the Chinese maybe making more products than the Russians therefore making the Chinese better off, but that is no reason for racism. It goes to show that the Russians are not liberal minded enough.
 
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Stalin_1243    RE:chinese invading   5/31/2004 4:06:34 PM
it is VERY serious. Russia exports around 80,000 barrels of oil a month to America.Most oil is extracted from Siberia and China covers most of Siberias borders. America would suffer a great loss and a GREATER decline in oil prices.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    RE:chinese invading   6/7/2004 11:14:40 AM
China gets very little of that oil. In fact Putin went out of his way to tear up a Yukos contract with the Chinese in favor of a pipeline to Japan and Korea that goes under the sea and avoids Chinese territory altogether. The chinese may pump people into the region and try a proxy takeover.
 
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CCCP_ru    RE:chinese invading=Nanheyangrouchuan   7/8/2004 12:10:47 PM
Chinas VAST area gets much energy. They would be greedy if they invaded Russia. But i love my commies! >:)
 
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warishumannature    RE:chinese invading=Nanheyangrouchuan   7/11/2004 11:23:48 PM
Two points: First, many of you base your "China invades Russia" scenarios on the fact that there are now many Chinese actually living and working in eastern Siveria. True enough, and I believe both sides benefit. In fact, if Russia wishes to collect taxes from the income of those "foreign residents", they could. If Russia wishes those people to leave, easy enough to send them back to China; not like those Chinese have guns. In what way does this situation suggest the idea of military invasion? Two, Siberia offers two things to China: living space and natural resources. I believe that neither is enough reason to go to war for. The "lebensraum" might be more attractive than the resources, from the Chinese point of view - it provides one more large region in which ordinary Chinese can live, build their cities and have families. But China still has a lot of space of its own: in the West, in Tibet, in Mongolia etc. People are migrating there now, without a war. Natural resources make development easier, it's true, but they can never make a country rich. No country ever attained First-world status because of resources alone. Beyond a certain level of resources, it's moot. America has fewer resources than Russia (who doesn't?), and can't really use more - it has to develop technology and business to be rich, and more resources won't really help. It's the same situation with China; they already have the raw materials and farm land they need and can use; if they could get Siberia's resources absolutely FREE, why not? If it involves war, why risk it? They can just trade for those resources, and they're doing that now.
 
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Roman    RE:chinese invading=Nanheyangrouchuan   7/11/2004 11:45:04 PM
Warishumannature, because you are concentrating solely on economics you are ignoring the historical, demographic and nationalist dynamics of the area. Many Chinese regard the Russian Far East as rightfully theirs, which somewhat changes the situation of the 'benign' migration. Soon enough they will become a majority population in the Russian Far East and self-determination of those Chinese can cause as a causus beli. As to your suggestion that Russia can remove these immigrants at any time - ask yourself how the world community (and indeed China itself) would react to such ethnic cleansing... Simply put the migration is making the situation much more volatile and frankly, I think a crisis with respect to China and the Russian Far East is only a matter of time.
 
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phead128    Truth   6/1/2011 11:36:14 PM
Russian Far East is too distant from the Russian heartland to be defended...
 
Especially given China has an equivalent of one Russian population (110 million) situated on the borders of Siberia, whereas the bulk of the Russian population is located West of the Urals, some eleven (11) time zones away, the Russian Far East is Russia's so long as China lacks the desire to retake it back.
 
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