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Subject: Metal Sorm R&DP:What Sgt. York Could've Been!?
joeMendla@uog.edu/rfk    5/19/2002 9:30:06 PM
I have just read over the net articles that claim a motive for Rumsfield cancellation of CRUSADER is his perceived support for the new "Metal Storm" Project, still under R&D. The base function of "MS" is to overwhelm enemy formations thru sheer volume of on-target precision fire. I couldn't help but recall the former "Sgt York" DIVAD/DIVAAD Project of the 1970' and 80's, specfically between those of us in the OUSA that favored a mobile multiweapon systems applcns. approach to DIVAD, versus those who wanted the singular, bulky, radar-guided conventional AD/AH arty approach. Rummy's decision strongly seems to have vindicated out line of thinking, only years too late for "Sgt York" per se.
 
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joe dasmoe    RE:Metal Sorm R&DP:What Sgt. York Could've Been!?   6/29/2002 7:20:59 PM
The Crusader is very much needed in today's armored forces. He claims it is a "cold-war era weapon." Cough bull cough. It was designed using lessons learned from the desert storm conflict etc. It is a very good weapons platform. One weapons platform that should be tossed in the GARBAGE is the LAV.
 
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macawman    RE:Metal Sorm R&DP:What Sgt. York Could've Been!?   9/13/2002 1:14:13 AM
You missed the point of the need for Sgt York ( a take off the ZSU-23) What is the requirement when the US has complete air superiority! The Pentagon may not have thought so when they dreamed this one up . The York's crowning moment was when the system shot up the toilets after the doppler radar locked up on fan rotation with the Sec. of Defence Weinberg watching the demonstration. One could write an amusing book about the contractor boondoggles that have cost the US military Billions (from what I have witnessed) for non functional so called tactical SIGINT equipment and computer systems (ASAS). These cunning S&P 500 military contractors have maintained this lucrative welfare through the hiring of former military who have worked on these long term projects some going back to 1977. The most important project force multipler is of course political patronage. A successful politician has never seen a dysfunctional military project in his/her district.
 
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itsbob    RE:Metal Sorm R&DP:What Sgt. York Could've Been!?   4/24/2003 9:51:47 AM
Anybody know how many Sgt York weapon systems were produced? I think I found one.. and was quite surprized.. Nobody even knows when or how it got here.
 
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asby69       1/28/2007 11:09:44 AM
I've read that somewhere between 40 and 50 M247's were produced.  I have one on display at the SGT York National Guard Armory.  I had two but donated one to the SGT York Historical Park at SGT York's homeplace.   Visit our unit website at http://troope2278.tripod.com
 
 
 
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doggtag    MetalStorm isn't for every application   1/28/2007 5:19:15 PM
Can a MetalStorm system replace long range 155mm artillery?
Never.
How can rounds stacked one on top of each other inside a common barrel, with the first one having the shortest barrel length in which to build up velocity, generate the kinds of pressures needed to lob 100pound shells 40+km?
 
Can a MetalStorm replace (I'll go out on a limb here as far as the Sgt York DIVADS was armed) the 40mm L70 Bofors gun?
MetalStorm certainly has a favorable rate of fire, but can it get the velocity, and range, needed to engage aircraft?
 
Seems to me, MetalStorm is little more than a promising very close range CIWS, or an area denial system.
But I just don't see stacked rounds being able to incorporate course correcting mechanisms to allow them to perform precision long range bombardment in the artillery role, nor being able to incorporate a decent multi option fuze suitable for proximity, prenetration, or point detonation needed for anti air operation.
 
Currently, what's the maximum caliber, and range, the best MetalStorm can offer? 40mm to even1600m?
We'll need much more than that for either artillery or air defense.
Sure, it's a novel idea for small to medium caliber weapons whose use will be close ranges.
But I just don't see it working for larger caliber heavier shells going longer ranges.
 
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Rasputin       1/28/2007 9:58:10 PM
I thought that Sergant York exists as the Tungasta platform in Russia.

There are other ways to utilize the Sergant York besides shooting down aircraft when you are fighting the insurgency, you can check a better radar into it, to allow it shoot down or attempt to brind down incoming motar or artillery rounds, or do as the Arab states did when fighting against their "erhem" brothers PLO. Use the auto cannos to straff at insurgents, espeacially snipers. Other or all kinds of ground targets are also suitable. See you do not need to reinvent the wheel to put a 105mm gun on the striker etc..  And I know the US has some M113s with M61 vulcan gatlings, which could also be deployed. However having larger caliber munitions like 30 or 40mm gives you more versatility in the kind of ammo you can fire at the enemy. At the same time, it gives you more versatility when the targets are too close to civilians to use a large 120mm cannon munition but a 30 or 40mm might be enough to do the job. And when a whole lot of bad guys appear? You still have the full auto option to give saturated fire.
 
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Rasputin       1/28/2007 10:56:09 PM
I thought that Sergant York exists as the Tungasta platform in Russia.

There are other ways to utilize the Sergant York besides shooting down aircraft when you are fighting the insurgency, you can check a better radar into it, to allow it shoot down or attempt to brind down incoming motar or artillery rounds, or do as the Arab states did when fighting against their "erhem" brothers PLO. Use the auto cannos to straff at insurgents, espeacially snipers. Other or all kinds of ground targets are also suitable. See you do not need to reinvent the wheel to put a 105mm gun on the striker etc..  And I know the US has some M113s with M61 vulcan gatlings, which could also be deployed. However having larger caliber munitions like 30 or 40mm gives you more versatility in the kind of ammo you can fire at the enemy. At the same time, it gives you more versatility when the targets are too close to civilians to use a large 120mm cannon munition but a 30 or 40mm might be enough to do the job. And when a whole lot of bad guys appear? You still have the full auto option to give saturated fire.
 
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