TankNet thread:

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AMOS came first in the form of the twin barrel (side by side) gun mortar.

But that system actually has some merit, and is being purchased (although certainly raised eyebrows when it was first revealed).

 

This thing though?

Getting thru all the BS on the TankNet thread about it,

and reading what little info is on TW's site,

it does sound legit.

Its sell point being a high sustained rate of fire: 16rpm, and the fact that 45-52 cal guns can reach 30-40km with relative ease.

Certainly that would be achievable, as it's really only 8rpm per barrel, not difficult in modern SPGs.

And those massive muzzle brakes would be necessary to reduce the recoil of a double shot (no mention of how many seconds between each barrel firing, but 15 rpm would be one round every four seconds (or once every eight seconds per barrel), which the vehicle should be able to endure, yet allow minimal downrange dispersal/CEP due to any vehicle oscillation from firing.

 

I keep waiting for the April Fool's punchline, but ain't see it yet.

 

I got some buddies searching to see if they can find more about this "thing" (monstrosity wouldn't be a bad term).

 

What next?  

Dual over/under or side by side main guns (120-125mm) on MBTs?

 

An interesting expirement no doubt.

But the complexities of the system must present considerable maintenance challenges (definitely not something to sell to third world countries whose generally ill-trained & relatively low quality troops would have nightmares trying to upkeep the vehicle).

Have to watch for the next Jane's Armour & Artillery Upgrades...

I suspect it's possible.

 

But photoshopping is blending elements of multiple photos into one composite.

 

I want to know,

what is the gun/artillery system they copied the turret & guns from.

 

If so (photoshop),

it's interesting that the picture in the "maintenance shed" shows the guns in almost-factory-condition,

with bare metal finish on the barrels and primer red paint on the recoil mechanisms, then only to be "painted" over on the "finished" model outside.

 

Anyone know what Russian or other gun uses such a pepperpot muzzle brake style?

 

That's a helluva lot of work just to fake a couple photos (with a few tech drawings to back them up to boot!).

 

(I'm surprised no one's yet pushed it as a "super chinese artillery gun" to go with all those super tank and super plane threads they used to throw at us!)

 

 

Dunno.  But it's obviously photoshopped.  Look at the original size pics linked from the tanknet thread:

in the snow

and

in the shop

The barrels and the barrel lock area have obviously been altered.  If I had to guess, they were created in a 3D modeling program. 

But I don't really care about where the fake stuff came from.  The main thing is that this is obviously not a "object 195" hull with a "new fully automated turret", this is a bog standard 2S19 with two fake cannon photoshopped onto it.  Cannon which are just straight tubes with no fume extractor and that bogus pepper pot muzzle brake.  Every single other detail about the hull and the turret is a 2S19, right down to the crew hatches on the turret, the placement of the periscope, etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The diagrams provided on that site don't match the shape of the vehicle in the "photos" either.

Sure would be fine if Neutraliser, Carl S., and Arty Engineer would weigh in here.  I'm befuddled myself.  No bore evacuator, and I'd have to imagine that the recoil cylinders would be a major headache.  I CAN'T imagine simultaneous firing of both barrels, though that be a sight to behold from a battery position at night.  Doubt it would be deployed conventionally, though.  Probably highly dispersed individual gun positions.  Might be nice to still have a capable weapon, even with a barrel down for some maintenence-related reason.  Travel lock seems unengaged in all photos, or did I miss it somehow.  Auto-load at ANY elevation.  I'd, naturally, have to see it to believe it, but I'd presume that if they say so, it must be true-sorta.

 

Pretty damn cool, that's for sure.

Stole from FAS:

Iraqi D-30 130mm GUN.

 

Note the design of recoil buffer at root of the cannon, and compare it to Coalition artillery system.

Darn! It's M46, not D-30.

Wouldn't three be better?

 

Nice.

 

...and a complete 180º left-to-right rotation of that original pic I posted up at the beginning.

 

The photoshop scam is obvious here: look how distorted/disproportionate (sp?) the center barrel is compared to the upper and lower ones.

(notice the mis-alignment of the recoil sleeves, look at the center one compared to the other two. And where would the third barrel have its recoil mechanisms/recuperators to begin with? And one can look at the trunnion elevation race and see the curve is all wrong to allow the guns to elevate at all- just between the upper and center barrel, it almost looks "stepped".)

 

For the record, Tony William's site briefly mentioned something of Russian naval interest in a new naval gun for its destroyers and cruisers.

Seen a conceptual drawing in (Armada? Jane's?) some recent mag last week, showing a somewhat larger turret showing over/under guns, and compares the mount to the current twin 130 side-by-side (decades ago-1960s/1970s, there were 37mm and 76mm over-under installations on a few Russian Fast Attack Boats, and there was an early OTO Melara 76mm over/under turret before they settled on the universally-known single barrel Super Rapide turret).

But I couldn't exactly say the proposal/concept was actually 152mm or 130mm.

Of course, it may all be more hype spawned by TW's site...

 

Anyone who has an active Jane's Defence Weekly subscription (or who may know the magazine I saw), please let us know if they happen to mention anything of it.

 

Photoshop scam to begin with?

Sure it could be.

 

But until AMOS came around, no one would've believed a twin barrel 120mm gun mortar, either (early AMOS concepts even suggested quad barrels, see page 600 of the 1997-98 Jane's Armour & Artillery, showing what looks like an open-topped turret mounted on an Ikv-91 chassis).