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Subject: Haditha Murder Charge dropped
PowerPointRanger    8/9/2007 10:03:30 PM
"http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/9/121553.shtml?s=lh"

All charges against Marine Cpl Sharrat were dropped because the evidence did not support the charges. This certainly bodes well for the remaining Marines involved & supports the notion that this was nothing more than an enemy propaganda event.

The western media that reported it were wither suckered by our enemies or sympathic enough to support this obvious hoax. Either way, they didn't do their jobs well and owe Cpl Sharrat and his fellow Marines an apology (although I for one am not holding my breath).
 
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displacedjim       8/9/2007 10:44:56 PM
Beyond an apology, I vote that it's time to start the investigation for prosecutorial misconduct and conspiracy.
 
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PowerPointRanger    More news...   8/10/2007 2:48:16 AM
Here's more:
 
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According to the article, a Marine who testified about the "massacre" was Cpl Medoza.  Medoza is a Venezuelan citizen who is applying for US citizenship--an application that would be denied if he were accused of a crime.  When he agreed to testify on the prosecution's behalf, he was given immunity (thus preserving his potential US citizenship).  He changed his story.  Mendoza testified that his squad leader Lance Cpl Tatum ordered him to shoot a room full of women and children.
 
Medoza failed a lie-detector test.
 
According to NCIS, Tatum admitted shooting the children during an interview.
 
Tatum did not sign the interview.  He later testified that he believed the room was hostile.
 
Tatum passed a lie-detector test.
 
As of this time, those news sources that have reported the story about Cpl Sharrat have not chosen to give it the front-page coverage of this initial allegation of massacre.  To the extent that it has been reported at all, it has been a mere footnote.
 
Charges were also dropped against Capt Randy Stone, an officer accused of not investigating the "massacre".
 
 
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PlatypusMaximus       8/12/2007 6:46:30 AM
2 down, 5 to go!
 
They are finally innocent in the eyes of the law, although I'm not sure much has changed here. Those people will just avoid this subject from now on.
 
HEROES
 
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Pseudonym       8/12/2007 10:08:02 AM
I remember this long long arguement I had with people telling me how soldiers would never find themselves in this position because the ROE's strictly make it impossible.

Hmm.

Yes, the infallible ROE's, getting Marines kangaroo media courtmartials since 2003.

Yes I am an idiot.

Things are always clear on the field of battle, everyone knows what is happening, where the enemy is and which shadow to fire at in the enemy structure.

 
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PowerPointRanger    Situations like this...   8/12/2007 10:38:07 AM
This why it's so important to stress duty and honor in the military world.  Most people don't appreciate how many difficult choices a soldiers have to make.  I applaud Gen Mattis for standing up & doing what was right.
 
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Pseudonym       8/12/2007 1:45:56 PM
What most surprises me about this war is the way everybody is acting as if any problem, insurmountable or not, is the end of the world.

When did Western Civilization forget that war sucks, s*** happens, and battle plans never survive first contact with the enemy?

Too many silver spoons, they all expect perfection and throw a temper tantrum when they don't get it.

People, like increasing number of innocent Haditha Marines, are unfortunately the ones caught in the crossfire of these academic morons who don't realize that the real world is far different from the delusional dream world they live in where everything is black and white and has a happy ending.

There are no good solutions to a war, except to win it, fast and with as little collateral damage as possible.

Instead we will pull back, because the world isn't perfect and doesn't bow to our will within a five year time frame, we will grow complacent again eventually, and the threat will grow, until ten times as many will have to die to solve what should have been finished a generation earlier at a far lower cost.

This is our WW1, we are now setting the stage for WW2.

Who knows though, maybe Islam will undergo a miraculous reformation in the mean time.

Perhaps nuclear weapons will bring stability to a region where people blow themselves up for their beliefs.

God I wish I were delusional enough to place hope in such a joke like half the world.

Ignorance truly is bliss.
 
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shek       8/12/2007 3:23:12 PM
I applaud the efforts of the military justice system on all sides.  This case deserved to be investigated, and the Marines deserved due process.  It appears that both things have happened.
 
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Condor Legion       8/12/2007 5:10:19 PM
Speaking of justice.
 
It's long past time to make John Murtha an ex-Marine and unemployed.
 
LOGISTICS,
R
 
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PlatypusMaximus       8/13/2007 4:06:19 PM
The media was all over this story...where'd everybody go???
 
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PlatypusMaximus       8/29/2007 10:15:15 AM

We'll Sue Murtha, Chessani Lawyer Vows



If Marine Col. Jeffrey Chessani is exonerated of the charges against him he may haul Pennsylvania Democratic Congressman John Murtha, into court, suing him for libel, one of his lawyers told NewsMax.com.

 

Brian Rooney, one of the attorneys at Michigan's Thomas More Law Center representing Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani and a former Marine captain himself told NewsMax.com that his client, who is alleged to have failed to fully investigate the killing of 24 Iraqis in Haditha November, 2005 and not reporting an alleged Law of War violation, may follow the example of another Haditha Marine, SSgt. Frank Wuterich who is suing Murtha for libel.

 

Murtha set off a media firestorm last year when even before the matter had been fully investigated he charged members of Kilo Company, 3rd Bn, 1st Marine Regiment had gone on a rampage and slaughtered 24 Iraqi civilians in cold blood to avenge the killing of a member of their unit in an IED explosion. He also said that the incident occurred in the absence of any firefight, although it occurred as part of a day-long battle with insurgent ambushers that wounded 11 Marines.

 

Rooney told NewsMax.Com that his group that, if as they expect, Chessani is cleared just as one officer, Capt. Randy Stone and two enlisted men have either been exonerated of had a hearing officer recommend exoneration they will seek to hold Murtha accountable.

 

According to Brian Rooney , SSgt. Frank Wuterich -- one of the other defendants in the investigation now awaiting a hearing on murder charges -- is already suing Murtha for those libelous comments. He insists that Murtha should be held accountable for taking the word of Iraqi insurgents and calling the Marines "cold-blooded murderers."

 

"Staff Sergeant Wuterich's attorneys are suing Congressman Murtha for liable for saying that the Marines were cold-blooded murderers, and that suit's still ongoing," Rooney said.

 

"We're not suing Murtha right now," Rooney added. "I know that Frank Wuterich's attorney are suing him for libel, and we will explore that option once our criminal case has been concluded. We hope to show that Murtha is guilty of libel against our client because when he accused the unit's officers of covering up the incident he could only have been referring to Lt. Col. Chessani.

 

Rooney recalled that in June 2006, Murtha told ABC's Charles Gibson, "I know there was a cover-up someplace. They knew about this a few days afterwards, and there's no question the chain of command tried to stifle the story."

 

"We think Congressman Murtha abandoned his legislative role in attacking the Marines, and so we are going to explore that. We're going to take it one step at a time, but that's definitely something we're going to do once our client is exonerated."

 
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PowerPointRanger    Murtha's words   8/29/2007 7:25:17 PM
While members of congress are immune from such lawsuits when they speak on the records in congress, Murtha seems to have forgotten that a interviews to news outlets don't count.  He better start hiding his assets now, cause he is SO going to lose.
 
 
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PlatypusMaximus       9/2/2007 5:43:52 AM
August 30, 2007
Just Read the Headline; Don't Ask Any Questions

When Marines were accused of committing atrocities at Haditha, Mad Jack Murtha and many others rushed to convict them. We have followed the story as those accusations have fallen apart, and one Marine after another has been exonerated. Now, at least two of the cleared Marines have either sued, or stated their intention to sue, Mad Jack for defamation.

The mainstream media don't seem to have noticed that the Haditha prosecutions have crumbled. Hence, headlines like this one, by AFP: Marine tells of order to execute Haditha women and children. That is an arresting headline, and the story's lead takes up the same theme:

A US Marine was ordered to execute a room full of terrified Iraqi women and children during an alleged massacre in Haditha that left 24 people dead, a military court heard Thursday.

But if you look past the sensational lead, what is actually being reported by AFP?

The testimony in question came in a preliminary hearing on the prosecution of Marine Sergeant Frank Wuterich. You might think from the headline that the witness who told of the "order to execute women and children" was testifying against Wuterich. But no:

Later in cross-examination Mendoza [the witness whose testimony led the story] praised Wuterich's leadership. "I think he's a great Marine, sir," he said.

Instead, Mendoza's testimony implicated someone entirely different, who was not on trial:

During a subsequent search of the house, Mendoza said he received an order from another Marine, Lance Corporal Stephen Tatum, to shoot seven women and children he had found in a rear bedroom.

"When I opened the door there was just women and kids, two adults were lying down on the bed and there were three children on the bed ... two more were behind the bed," Mendoza said.

"I looked at them for a few seconds. Just enough to know they were not presenting a threat ... they looked scared."

After leaving the room Mendoza told Tatum what he had found.

"I told him there were women and kids inside there. He said 'Well, shoot them,'" Mendoza told prosecutor Lieutenant Colonel Sean Sullivan.

"And what did you say to him?" Sullivan asked.

"I said 'But they're just women and children.' He didn't say nothing."

 

Apart from the fact that Tatum is not the defendant in the current proceeding, this is a highly ambiguous account, made more so by the fact that Mendoza testified that he did not carry out Tatum's purported order. Later, AFP reports:

Of the four Marines charged with murder, two have since had charges withdrawn, while allegations against Tatum are also expected to be dismissed.

Why, in view of the ostensibly shocking testimony that headlined the current account, is a dismissal of the charges against Tatum "expected?" AFP gives no clue. Moreover, AFP fails to explain why Mendoza didn't carry out the ostensible "order" from Tatum. It does report, however, that defense counsel suggested that, according to a survivor, it was Mendoza himself, contrary to his testimony at the hearing, who killed the civilians in question.

Those issues remain for another day. At present, the charges being heard are those against Sergeant Wuterich. If you read AFP's article carefully, what evidence do they describe against Wuterich?

None. That's right, none at all. AFP describes not a word of testimony to support the murder charges against Wuterich. If I were to bet a nickel on the proceedings, I would bet that Wuterich won't be charged; or, if charged, will be acquitted. But AFP achieved what it was after with the headline: "Marine tells of order to execute Haditha women and children."

 
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PowerPointRanger    Stick with the lie   9/5/2007 8:08:22 AM
I'm amazed how the media talking points have not changes even after they have been debunked--which is why the news outlets are leaving themselves open to getting sued.
 
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PowerPointRanger    Prosuction witness falters   9/6/2007 8:15:57 AM
The latest on Sgt Wuterich's hearing:
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 “During four hours of cross examination by defense attorney Lt. Col. Colby C. Vokey, Dela Cruz was unable to clearly explain his previous testimony. At one point he simply stopped talking and stared into the distance, seemingly at a loss for words. At other times he simply rambled on until he was ordered to quit talking.”
 
 
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PlatypusMaximus       9/12/2007 8:56:03 PM

Lawyer: Haditha Marine Rejects Plea Deal


Associated Press Writer
A Marine officer accused of failing to investigate Iraqi civilian deaths in Haditha rejected a plea deal under which his charges would have been dismissed in exchange for an admission that he covered up the killings, his attorney said Monday.
 
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