Will end it...

 

Please treat this thread as the joke it is...

Seeing as none of those countries (and economic unions) have the logistical capability the US has, I'd say it is a stalemate (without the use of nuclear weapons of course), with the US unable to destroy them all, and the others unable to invade the US

 

... we'd probably cause lots of infrastructural damage in China and Russia though... maybe in parts of the EU as well. At least if Canada and Mexico is on our side... if not we are screwed.

well even if this thread has been done to death who really cares!!!!

it's still a fascinating thread.

my 2cents

i think it would definately bring an end to american domination of the globe.

because realisticly with the combined troop power of china and russia, the air power of france/uk/ russia not to mention that france spain and the united kingdom all have aircraft carriers.

but i agree with earlier comments that all these "allies" don't have enough amphibious muscle like the americans do so they would have to draw the americans into a d-day type operation, probably.

 

 Where do they fight?  What do you consider a win?  If in order to win, either side has to conquer the other, I don't think any can do it? The USA would become an inexpugnable Fort America, sinking any vessel they find on both oceans, and they would never even try to invade the other parties.

 

 

Despite being crazy this thread is quite interesting. I don't think we can rule out the US attempting a massive pre-emptive strike, let's not forget after all how crazy they would need to be to start this war in the first place- and it would be the US starting it, because Russia, the EU and China just suddenly decidng to team up and take on a military superpower is just dumb. The US picks Europe not China- no way they pick the multi-million man army that's kicked their ass out of korea and Taiwan over the "cheese eating surrender monkeys".

 

But in this fight the US can't actually rely on those two things. In aircraft the EU outnumbers whatever the US can send and take with them- and has all the local advantages. At sea the Europeans have numerical superiority and the leadership of the French and British who know what they're doing- and could probably cripple spread-out and isolated US Carrier groups at the start of the war, before they can link up, or in later lightning strikes and suicide missions, so badly that a D-Day style landing is impossible. Even if the US got to land, within a week they'll not only be facing increasingly spirited EU defense, but all the joys of Mother Russia coming to visit.

 

As for a "Fortress USA" -only if the Chinese, Russians and Europeans don't want to invade badly enough. If these forces have a WW2 level of resolve, then they'll cut of all US trade (more than half of it is with them anyway), in fact that's gonna happen by week two anyway. America has signifiacnt resources and Canada and Mexico could be raided for extras- these peoples have been living in the shadow of America for so long there will be little resistance. South America would be like Vietnam on crack for the US, and they're not that stupid. But eventually the US will run out of oil and men, and the freedom-loving American people are going to start rising up and down the country. This will conincide nicely with the fleet and airforce the chinese, with EU and Russian technology, will have just finished building and training to totally and permentantly crush the United States. The EU might help out, New England isn't exactly going to put up much of a fight, though I doubt even the British army would try going into the Bronx. Simply put, the EU and china massivley outnumber and outbuy the US- and will have all the allies. The result is truly terrifying- a bloody invasion from sea to shining sea and a sino-dominated world. Lucky it'll never happen then. That's just my opinion, anyways.

 

 

No one can win this war. The U.S. does not have the man-power to invade and the Opposition doesn't have the sea power/air power to get to the U.S. First off the U.K will almost certainly either by our Allies or Neutral. Japan and the Aussies  and Indians would be the same way. Since this means that the four or five of the best navies in world are not hostile then there is no way that anyone can get to the U.S. Our Navy would have a 50/50 chance against the rest of the world's navies combined; take Japan, Australia, India and most likely Britain out and the still deteriorating Russian navy, brown-water Chinese navy and the remnants of Europe's navies and the U.S. is way out in front.

 

Air Power would be a somewhat different story. True the Opposition would have numbers, but aside from Russia no one else has long-range bombers and the tankers to help people get out to the Continental U.S. for an air strike. Meanwhile the USAF does have long-range strike capability and would be systematically hammering shipyards, manufacturing plants, and any other strategic target with assistance from the SSGNs that we have. And we have stealth so we might even be able to get some B-2s/F-35s close enough to use JDAMs instead of cruise-missiles. Outside of Russia nobody else really has the Air Defense net to stop a concentrated cruise missile attack. And if we get a carrier close enough to throw some EW support in behind things will get nasty.

 

The Opposition does have the economic advantage though. The have interior lines of communication and can move troops and aircraft from side to side quicker that the US can move Amphib groups. But the Middle East would have all their oil go to the Opposition and they could trade amongst themselves. The US would still have India, Japan and Korea, but getting ships to those locations would be very problematic. The US would take over the Mexican and Venezuelan oilfields and we would finally get drilling of our oil and nuke-power plants which would probably get us enough energy to fight through.

 

If Europe wants to invade they can try but in the face of any good US opposition it would be hard. Vets make up a pretty decent percent of the population and coupled with enough good-old boys armed with good weapons and all the Stingers and Javelins they can use no invasion can work that well. Red Dawn is just a little too implausible. So the ultimate result is a stalemate. The US can't invade and neither can anyone invade the US. The EU would probably break away from everyone else and declare a ceasefire and restore trade with the US and slowly Russia or China would face internal problems from restive populations. Remember the US would be trying to get SF teams with weapons to Tibet and the Islamic groups in both Russia and China.

You are all drunk or high.  Parmenion  in particular, I'll have what he's having.  What former communist country are you a dupe of, Parmenion?   Or are you a pink from some Western European country like Spain or Greece?

 

The rest of the world cannot take a drink out of the Mississippi River without our permission.  The minute we declared war on the European Union, countries would start leaving it hoping we would let them live.  Russia and China are too big to occupy, so we would just end all life within their borders using nuclear weapons.  This would be OK for us because China has no nuclear threat to the US worth mentioning and Russia, well, after a first strike, our interceptors would do the job.

 

Fortunately we would never do this without provocation, so just don't provoke us, KTHXBAI.

No, Nichevo, I'm not drunk or high, though I'd love to know whatever it is you were smoking when you though that the United States could take on essentually the entire world and survive. You should rember to keep a tissue handy for when you're done with thouse pictures of the Abrams tanks and the marines, you child. With regards to a stalemate, I agree completely with the points made by the other members, if we're going on what China and the EU have now. But the economic advantage not to mention the fact that China will start by calling in on all US debt means they can build all the air defense and long range bombers they need. As for Britain and India by the way, if China and Russia are both in a war then India will go with them no to be left out, and because they are far more of a threat to India as enemies than the US in this situation. As far as nuclear weapons go, I'm assuming they're not used or stopped, otherwise both sides can obliterate eachother in any case. Britain is a member of the EU and will stand with them against an America crazy enough to start this ridiculous scenario. And as for the middle east, I'm sure they would like nothing better than an oppurtuntiy to stike at the USA. This isn't to say I'm anti-American, I acknowledge that the US has the greatest military in the history of the world, and as a member of the western world, I'm kind of proud of it. But we should be realistic here.

Well Parmenion if the whole world wants to declare war then yes the US will lose. And lose quite badly. And then we'll nuke the rest of the world. On a more serious note; even if Britain joins the Evil League of Evil the US will still be the dominant Naval Power of the seas. We are like Victorian Britain only with a better balance of power. India's navy would be decent, but they would have to worry about Pakistan who the US would have hopefully supplied before they decide to assume their death match. But my point still stands: US Navy can protect our shores from everyone else. So Stalemate.

 

And as JFKY pointed out, we do have Area 51 and the aliens to bail us out if things get bad.

 

Absolutely, I agree with your point with today's forces- the US navy is formiddable, the EU, Russian and Indian Navies together would at best put it into a WW1 Britain versus Germany naval scenario with the USN as the Royal Navy. But with the economic advantage and trade embargo, my question is, in a long, long war, who can build landing ships and carriers quicker- the US or China and the EU together, with EU technology? I mean it's an honest question, but with US industry having kind of been taken over by services and IT compared to german and chinese steel industry, maybe the EU and China would have the edge if they can stop enough airstrikes? This kind of gets ridiculous after a while.

They couldn't. No one else has the expertise to build large carriers. Even the current French-British carriers are not particularly well designed and still too small to carry a decent strike group. The Chinese have never actually conducted carrier-ops and it would take tehm 8-10 years minimum to build a carrier, design planes and get good. All of this while dodging cruise missile strikes and torpedoes. It just simply won't happen. Refer to the carrier discusions with Herald and JKFY and Phaid. And don't forget that the Russia, China, EU alliance is more likely to splinter that the US. And if the EU isn't there to provide technological expertise and electronics then Russia and China are gonna be hurting.

 

Ultimately this thread really is pointless though. No one can win a conventional war in this scenario and the balance of forces is both unlikely and unfair.