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Subject: France down to one surviving WW1 vet
HoundOfHello    1/20/2008 9:31:30 PM

France down to one surviving WWI vet

Published: Jan. 20, 2008 at 8:53 PM
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BRIOUDE, France, Jan. 20 (UPI) -- Louis de Cazenave, France's oldest World War I veteran, has died at age 110, leaving just one French survivor of what once was called the war to end all wars.

De Cazenave, who saw action in the Battle of the Somme in 1916, died in his sleep surrounded by family at his home in Brioude, his son Louis said.

De Cazenave, who was 19 when he went to war, worked for the railroads and became a pacifist after the war, his family said.

"War is something absurd, useless, that nothing can justify. Nothing," he told Le Monde newspaper in a 2005 interview.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy sent condolences to de Cazenave's family and paid tribute to all those killed in the war.

"This generation has only one remaining representative today," he said in his statement.

The lone French survivor of the epic war -- which claimed the lives of 1.4 million French soldiers and left 4.5 million more wounded -- is Lazare Ponticelli, who also 110, the BBC said. A handful of World War I veterans from other nations are also still alive.
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It's sad to see the passing of a generation who went through hell for four long years. Any numbers for the other major nations involved (US, UK, Germany, Russia, Turkey, ex-European colonies, etc.)?

-HoH
 
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free_man 12    Considering...   1/21/2008 2:42:12 PM
Considering, many claim that France has no WWII vets, because to be a Vet you have to fight, France may be down to 1 person with any fighting experience, unless you include the growing Muslim population that has a lot of Jihad experience.
 
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Enterpriser    Was that......   1/21/2008 10:15:11 PM


Considering, many claim that France has no WWII vets, because to be a Vet you have to fight, France may be down to 1 person with any fighting experience, unless you include the growing Muslim population that has a lot of Jihad experience.



Was that really necessary......?
 
Brett.

 
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free_man 12       1/21/2008 10:16:28 PM
Sorry, could not control myslef.
 
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ArtyEngineer       1/21/2008 11:11:18 PM
Below should be a link to a Wiki page which seems to have a pretty up to date list.  Not very many of these old buggers left.  Not be long before the "War to End all Wars" has passed from living memory. 

link
 
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Nasty German Idiot       1/25/2008 6:40:17 PM
The last German Veteran has also died.



Dr. Erich Kästner died 3 weeks ago at the age of 109.

* 10. 3. 1900,  he was the second oldest man in Germany ...  nearly impossible to imagine he fough for the Kaiser :)

PS: his wife died 2003 at the age of 102 after 75 years of marriage :)



 
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the British Lion       1/26/2008 9:54:25 AM
"Considering, many claim that France has no WWII vets, because to be a Vet you have to fight, France may be down to 1 person with any fighting experience"

France suffered over 300,000 casualties during the Battle of France... yes they were beaten quickly, but don't say they didn't fight.

B.L.
 
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free_man 12    Considering...   1/26/2008 6:38:40 PM
 I think a lot of the criticism that France gets for WWII, and rightfully deserves in my opinion, is based on how most of the country became sympathizers and even supporters of the Reich.  And, of course, their infamous boneheaded attempt to prevent Germany from even trying to attack France.
 
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00_Chem_AJB    Really?   1/26/2008 6:59:57 PM
So what about the French resistance and their sacrifice? Are you going to totally sweep them under the rug of surrender monkeys?
 
 
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free_man 12    Absolutely not!   1/26/2008 7:08:36 PM
However, the Vichy regime was particularly brutal and had too many of the populace in favor of the Reich. As a country, over all, they were pansies and Nazi sympathizers.  It is a shame that the many who actively fought the Nazis get overlooked, but that is the fault of France, not the Historians.
 
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the British Lion       1/26/2008 7:20:54 PM
"they were pansies and Nazi sympathizers."

Try saying that after your country had fought in the most brutal war in world history and lost a million and a half men just over 20 years ago.
It's so easy to judge sitting in your nice safe home. When it became obvious the battle was lost, the French were mostly unwilling to carry on with another slaughter. I have a hard time blaming them for that.

Compare and contrast how long it took America to exorcise its ghosts of Vietnam, and that was just 50,000 dead. Try an entire generation and see if you still have the stomach to fight again...

B.L.
 
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free_man 12    Lion   1/26/2008 8:48:28 PM
There's a big difference between France not continuing to fight, which I don't understand too well, and them actively supporting the Nazis, which most of France did.   The Great War should not have made the Vichy regime and the Nazi Collaborators more brutal, in many ways, that Italy's Mussolini, who was part of the original Axis powers. 
 
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Bluewings12       1/27/2008 4:47:27 PM
Free_man 12 , you 're an idiot .

You have no idea how we did suffer from the German occupation . Not that the German soldiers were killers ~they were not~ but the Gestapo and the Waffen SS were absolute bastards . You saying that the French population was on German 's side insults us all , French . You 're making the confusion in between the "Milice" and the French , the real French , the Patriots .

""they were pansies and Nazi sympathizers""
How in Earth can you say such thing , you idiot ??? Have you ever read a good history book ???
Let me tell you something , you idiot , I wish that you never know and experience what we had to go through .

Cheers .


 
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wrathofachilles       2/10/2008 11:38:30 PM


Considering, many claim that France has no WWII vets, because to be a Vet you have to fight, France may be down to 1 person with any fighting experience, unless you include the growing Muslim population that has a lot of Jihad experience.




I'm anything but a Francophile, but that's a low blow. French soldiers aren't and have never been cowards, it's just the intellectual and political leadership that are. In May-June 1940, some soldiers fought bravely while others ran or surrendered. France was defeated by incompetent strategy and tactics, not by cowardice.
 
Also don't forget that Free French forces fought in North Africa, Syria, and yes, France.
 
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Godofgamblers       2/11/2008 4:21:10 AM
This is a very sensitive topic because it opens up a lot of old wounds and forces everyone to admit what no one wants to admit.... the truth is most of Europe was pro Nazi, pro fascist or at the very least anti communist.... If it weren't for Winston Churchill, I still hve serious doubts about UK's role in the war. Halifax would have sued for peace and some sort of acceptance if not outright cooperation with the Nazis.
 
The French mostly policed themselves via the Milice.... those in the resistance were not at all numerous at the start of the war.... most were communists.
 
Those are the hard facts....
 
It took Oswiecim and Trzeblinka for Europe to see the true face of Fascism....
 
 
 
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bob the brit       2/11/2008 12:37:40 PM

This is a very sensitive topic because it opens up a lot of old wounds and forces everyone to admit what no one wants to admit.... the truth is most of Europe was pro Nazi, pro fascist or at the very least anti communist.... If it weren't for Winston Churchill, I still hve serious doubts about UK's role in the war. Halifax would have sued for peace and some sort of acceptance if not outright cooperation with the Nazis.

 

The French mostly policed themselves via the Milice.... those in the resistance were not at all numerous at the start of the war.... most were communists.

 

Those are the hard facts....

 

It took Oswiecim and Trzeblinka for Europe to see the true face of Fascism....

 

 


be careful how much praise you give churchill
 
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