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Subject: USA #1 in arms ownership! Makes you feel Proud!
RockyMTNClimber    8/28/2007 6:02:37 PM
The right of self defense is universal. UN should mandate all nations allow their citizens access to gun ownership! Check Six Rocky ht**tp://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-08-28T174254Z_01_L28348938_RTRUKOC_0_US-WORLD-FIREARMS.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2 By Laura MacInnis GENEVA (Reuters) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said. U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies. About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said. "There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said. India had the world's second-largest civilian gun arsenal, with an estimated 46 million firearms outside law enforcement and the military, though this represented just four guns per 100 people there. China, ranked third with 40 million privately held guns, had 3 firearms per 100 people. Germany, France, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil and Russia were next in the ranking of country's overall civilian gun arsenals. On a per-capita basis, Yemen had the second most heavily armed citizenry behind the United States, with 61 guns per 100 people, followed by Finland with 56, Switzerland with 46, Iraq with 39 and Serbia with 38. Continued... France, Canada, Sweden, Austria and Germany were next, each with about 30 guns per 100 people, while many poorer countries often associated with violence ranked much lower. Nigeria, for instance, had just one gun per 100 people. "Firearms are very unevenly distributed around the world. The image we have of certain regions such as Africa or Latin America being awash with weapons -- these images are certainly misleading," Small Arms Survey director Keith Krause said. "Weapons ownership may be correlated with rising levels of wealth, and that means we need to think about future demand in parts of the world where economic growth is giving people larger disposable income," he told a Geneva news conference. The report, which relied on government data, surveys and media reports to estimate the size of world arsenals, estimated there were 650 million civilian firearms worldwide, and 225 million held by law enforcement and military forces. Five years ago, the Small Arms Survey had estimated there were a total of just 640 million firearms globally. "Civilian holdings of weapons worldwide are much larger than we previously believed," Krause said, attributing the increase largely to better research and more data on weapon distribution networks. Only about 12 percent of civilian weapons are thought to be registered with authorities.
 
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YelliChink       8/28/2007 6:18:56 PM
More_guns == less_crime ;
 
Comfirmed yet once again.
 
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Cactus       8/28/2007 6:29:16 PM

India had the world's second-largest civilian gun arsenal, with an estimated 46 million firearms outside law enforcement and the military, though this represented just four guns per 100 people there. China, ranked third with 40 million privately held guns, had 3 firearms per 100 people.


A significant portion of India's 46 million firearms would count as antiques and collectibles in America. I have seen a bee-keeper with a late model Tower musket! It is used regularly, and it is still correctly licensed and everything.
 
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DropBear       8/29/2007 12:44:23 AM
The right of self defense is universal. UN should mandate all nations allow their citizens access to gun ownership!

What, so we can all end up like the USA? I bloody well hope not!!!
 
That is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read.
 
 
 
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YelliChink       8/29/2007 1:15:19 AM

The right of self defense is universal. UN should mandate all nations allow their citizens access to gun ownership!

What, so we can all end up like the USA? I bloody well hope not!!!

 

That is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read.


No, it's not. It is still smarter than call for global gun ban.
 
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kirby1       8/29/2007 1:48:23 AM
Hows this for "Too hard for the politicos to comprehend"

Guns do not equal problems
There are guns, and there are problems. The two are not the same. They can be related, but they are not the same. Making all the boomsticks dissappear is not going to suddenly make the earth a happy place full of sunshine.
 
In short, Guns don't kill people; I do! 
 
 
 
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DropBear       8/29/2007 1:58:09 AM
No, it's not. It is still smarter than call for global gun ban.

Whilst you are certainly welcome to your opinion, I bet several billion others would not agree with you.
 
You obviously live in a country where gun violence is the norm and where almost everybody owns a gun. Fine, but don't think that other folk who live in countries without your level of violence should be more like yours just because you like it that way.
 

 
 
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YelliChink       8/29/2007 10:19:12 AM

No, it's not. It is still smarter than call for global gun ban.

Whilst you are certainly welcome to your opinion, I bet several billion others would not agree with you.

 

You obviously live in a country where gun violence is the norm and where almost everybody owns a gun. Fine, but don't think that other folk who live in countries without your level of violence should be more like yours just because you like it that way.

 


 



Actually, that's not true. Here in Chicago area, they've banned almost all guns for civilian possession. Nevertheless, it didn't reduce the amount of violence crime in certain neighborhoods. There is a guy who was convicted of illegal possession of a handgun defending himself against a burglar a few years ago. Is that right to send good people into jail simply because they're trying to protect themselves?
 
Ironically, same things (both rampant violence crime and persecution of gun owners) don't happen just outside Cook county.
 
Also, there was a time most people thought there must be a king. As far as I know, the number of gun-right converts is still growing, and almost none went back.
 
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Cactus       8/29/2007 10:23:13 AM


There are guns, and there are problems. The two are not the same. They can be related, but they are not the same.  


Two biggest linking relations are money and maturity:
 
No money = no training, no safety, no mental screening etc.
 
No maturity = might is right, all that is not illegal is legal and if illegal can be gotten away with its legal, etc.
 
In some places these two links are stronger than others, hence its necessary to apply case-by-case judgement. Lets face it, without proper training and safety procedures appropriate to the local environment, guns do kill people. You should also appreciate the fact that some people are perpetually mentally struck in 10th Century CE, equipping them with modern weaponry only creates monsters a la Jurassic Park.
 
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YelliChink       8/29/2007 11:45:41 AM


In some places these two links are stronger than others, hence its necessary to apply case-by-case judgement. Lets face it, without proper training and safety procedures appropriate to the local environment, guns do kill people. You should also appreciate the fact that some people are perpetually mentally struck in 10th Century CE, equipping them with modern weaponry only creates monsters a la Jurassic Park.

1. Without proper training and safety procedures appropriate to the road enviroment, cars do kill people. Actually, more people died in traffic accident globally than firearm discharge in recent years.
2. the fact that some people are perpetually mentally struck in 10th Century CE. I've seen these people and I can name a few of them: Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Osama bin Laden.
 
3. The greatest slaughters of 20th Century happens to be people let by leadership who are mentally struck in 10th Century. Were it the death chamber in Auschwitz, killing field of Cambodia or burned churches in Rwanda, these events are not very much different. Actually it's worse than Jurassic Park.
 
4. There are still places where big cats do eat people.
 
5. In places where guns killed a lot of people, the guns are always government issued weapons, like those German MG08 heavy machineguns used in the Battle of Somme. How many did the mentally disordered gunners in VT and Tasmania killed? Not even 1/1000 of how many the British government can push Tommies into death traps of German MG08 machinegun nests in one day.

Gun accidents are gruesome, but the swimming pools are statistically more dangerous in reality. There was a 6 years old girl who has her intestine sucked away by the pool pump just a few weeks ago.
 
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Cactus       8/29/2007 12:07:22 PM


1. Without proper training and safety procedures appropriate to the road enviroment, cars do kill people. Actually, more people died in traffic accident globally than firearm discharge in recent years.

2. the fact that some people are perpetually mentally struck in 10th Century CE. I've seen these people and I can name a few of them: Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Osama bin Laden. 

3. The greatest slaughters of 20th Century happens to be people let by leadership who are mentally struck in 10th Century. Were it the death chamber in Auschwitz, killing field of Cambodia or burned churches in Rwanda, these events are not very much different. Actually it's worse than Jurassic Park.

4. There are still places where big cats do eat people.

5. In places where guns killed a lot of people, the guns are always government issued weapons, like those German MG08 heavy machineguns used in the Battle of Somme. How many did the mentally disordered gunners in VT and Tasmania killed? Not even 1/1000 of how many the British government can push Tommies into death traps of German MG08 machinegun nests in one day.

Gun accidents are gruesome, but the swimming pools are statistically more dangerous in reality. There was a 6 years old girl who has her intestine sucked away by the pool pump just a few weeks ago.


Agreed on all points. Even though I had brought up only two points corresponding to (a) car drivers need to be licensed, and  (b) crazy people should not be given tools of power (be it a gun, a field commands or a government).
 
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