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Subject: Chinese Bribe Their Way Into Uniform
SYSOP    7/31/2014 5:49:39 AM
 
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keffler25       7/31/2014 8:19:25 AM

The basic problem is that there are not enough young Chinese with the required education and physical fitness to provide all the recruits the military needs. In response the military has relented on some of the physical requirements. Even with that some 60 percent of otherwise qualified college educated candidates cannot pass the physical.

Many Chinese parents see all this as an opportunity rather than an obstacle. That’s because the culture of corruption still exists in the Chinese military, as it has for thousands of years. For centuries the military was considered a reasonable career choice for anyone with the right physical, mental and psychological qualifications. There were always paying jobs for competent and dependable killers.

A national culture does not change very much. You may produce a Sun Tzu as a theorist, but as long as your military is run like a Tong gang, you are meat on the table to the heirs of Valley FORGE.
 
 
 
 
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tteng       7/31/2014 1:06:19 PM
There are two kinds of corruptions: lubricant to get things done, and bottomless take with nothing in return.  In China, the former is most prevalent: to get things done ahead of queue, an expedite fee speeds up the process; and things do get done.  In other 3rd world banana republics, the latter takes place; and the result is stuffed oversea bank accounts with the same dilapidated conditions as before.
 
As for heir of Valley Forge...the two Asian Commies, Chairman Mao and Uncle Ho, were very well acquainted with the US capability and limitation.
 
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keffler25       7/31/2014 1:21:55 PM
Ho is DEAD, and Vietnam is a DEFACTO American ALLY. They HATE you that much. They also know how damned close it was and they know how tough it was. One week more and Ho was prepared to yield it all. Linebacker II was that close.  
 
Mao is DEAD, and another MILLION CHINESE DEAD who failed and the free ROKS would tell you that they know what the heirs of Valley Forge can do.   
 
 
 
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joe6pack       7/31/2014 3:47:15 PM
"There are two kinds of corruptions: lubricant to get things done."
 
It's one and the same.. needing that type of "lube" is because there is a corrupt / inefficient system in place, that inspires additional corruption.  
 
Unfortunately, there are no shortage of governments tilting more this way...
 
On the subject, it seems hard to believe that China is having difficulty locating qualified members for it's military.  As large as it is.. It is something like .0017%  of their population.  Or, do the really qualified citizens, just want nothing to do with a military career?
 
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tteng       7/31/2014 5:02:17 PM
If corruption leads to a dead society, then 'corruption' is bad because the end result is bad.  If corruption leads to a society that gets things done (or things gets done regardless of corruption or not), then only the end is what mattered, then one has to evaluate how that 'corruption' figures into the success.  Just facts on the ground, no ideology debate here.
 
Mao is dead, Ho is dead, and long live Washington.
 
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tteng       7/31/2014 5:24:59 PM
Forgot to add..
 
PLA is not looking for 18-yr old brawn, but phD brain in Space and Cyber capabilities.  Its education system produces over 600K graduates in the STEM fields every year.  And the US graduate-school programs in STEM field, and hi tech industries, can't function without mainland Chinese students and graduates.
 
PLA/China's talent pool is world-produced-wide, not just native-born-narrow.  Another fact on the ground.
 
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joe6pack       7/31/2014 6:47:55 PM
There is no "good" form of corruption. Here is a link to the Oxford English Dictionary - let me know which definition you find to be a positive one. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/corruption If you have to bribe a government official to process a piece of paper, that serves no particular purpose other than to give that government official a job and separate source of income.. this is not a good thing. If you have to bribe a parts supplier (beyond the selling price) to provide parts actually made to specification.. or delivered on time.. not a good thing. Now, I believe what you are saying is, if you bribe the government official and he processes your piece of paper quickly.. or bribe your supplier and he then ships on time.. so you get your product built.. it's all good... Is that it? Well, ok.. maybe something gets done.. congratulations.. it isn't a completely dysfunctional society.. but that's a slippery slope. And, all those bribes to "get things done".. is waste. Paying for something that need not be. And frankly bizarre in a country where execution is considered a reasonable punishment for that particular crime. And in the real world, efficiency tends to beat waste.. just ask any of those engineering Phd students.. - - - On the graduate program - With so many graduates per year.. How is it, the PLA can't find enough? Two years, and every other person in uniform would have an advanced degree. Going back to my original question, is it just that a military career is not desirable, by those that the military is looking to recruit?
 
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keffler25       7/31/2014 6:48:00 PM
Bull.
 
Those Chinese come HERE to learn and stay HERE to work (and admittedly some steal from our research and our schools.). 
 
You have 40,000,000 million people in slave labor camps and another 40,000,000 living little better than cave men. (US satellites can see this happening) as well as more than a half billion serfs.
 
I don't think you have much of which to boast.
 
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donstrock       7/31/2014 7:24:10 PM
China sucks...
 
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tobiathan    Mao and Ho   7/31/2014 11:24:23 PM

 
 Are only known as successes in the history books thanks to the cowardice of a certain American political party and it's short-sighted  desire for votes over justice.
 
Millions upon millions of Vietnamese and Chinese died thanks to this politicking, and no Asian military force has EVER defeated an American force in combat.
 
Only when communist sympathizers in Congress cut funding to American backed governments like Chinese Republicans and Vietnamese Republicans do trash like Mao an Ho become "winners".
 
ie- in Vietnam the South Vietnamese government was holding on just fine until Carter and his party cut ALL funding to them to satisfy...?
 
Look to South Korea and Japan as examples of what could[or should] have been...
 
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