Cant agree with that, Terrorism does accomplish things, maybe not exactly what the instigators desire, however there are notable examples where terrorism has succeeded. In Northern Ireland a 30 year campaign of violence ended up with Sinn Fein/IRA as part of a power sharing government and one step closer to their goal of a united Ireland. The Madrid Bombings are another arguable example of terrorism succeeding.

i agree with the idea "the only good terrorist is a dead one, the flatter and more mangled the better" but i dont think terrorists are scared bitches cause you should be fearless if you want to blow up you self for nothing but making a chaos. also you've said that americans are good at endineering so far thats right but after some engineering you have things to do with men(you cant expect machines to do everything). and the men you have is nothing but a coward would have some problems to control the area (and this is what happens to usa soldiers in iraq)..... also my men dont target women and children (where did you get that idea from that was rubbihs) there is some stealin by snatching problems but this is because people dont have jobs and start to steal (but of course this is something unrelated with the topic) and TURKÝYE has a great army and i'm proud of them.. i think we have some concept problems on honour but that might be caysed because of our cultures and again its not my business to thesch you what honour is..........

..also you've said that americans are good at endineering so far thats right but after some engineering you have things to do with men(you cant expect machines to do everything). and the men you have is nothing but a coward would have some problems to control the area (and this is what happens to usa soldiers in iraq... You obviously have no idea of the history of the US soldier if you actually believe this nonsense. Please provide EVIDENCE of alleged US cowardice? You sure cant mean Mogadishu, where over 1000 skinnies were toasted, when US forces extricated themselves from an untenable situation. I suggest you watch BlackHawk Down. Or perhaps you mean Vietnam? Again, try reading We WEre Soldiers ONce and Young, or watch the Mel Gibson film, which is an accurate portrayal of the events described in the book. You havent read up about Frozen Chosin, have you? Or other unnumerable battles in Korea. I wold be very careful about making blanket assertions as you have, with no basis in fact, other your own cultural milieu. You display an amazing level of ignorance and cultural prejudice when it comes to what constitutes bravery and cowardice among US soldiers. Perhaps you would care to make that accusation to a US Soldier's face. ..also my men dont target women and children (where did you get that idea from that was rubbihs) ... I wasnt referring to YOU in the you, personal and Turkey, sense. But YOU in the Arabic sense of honor, as applied to terrorists in Iraq and Israel, who think it is a great victory to kill defenseless women and children. Says a lot about a people who think that is honorable, a wonderful thing to accomplish, and dont recognize the moral rot in their own psyche. A lot is wrapped up the Arab own loss of personal honor and manhood, as evidenced when US spec ops forces ran up to Baghdad in the night, used their vehicle's PA system at a building with suspected enemy forces in them, then proceeded to blast the accusation that the men in the buildings were cowards who couldnt satisfy their women and had to be satisfied with raping dogs and camels. Guess what happened? The Arabs in those buildings, enraged at the insults, time after time would pour out of those buildings with guns blazing wildly, into to the waiting gunsights of the SPEC OPS forces, who mowed them down in droves. HONORABLE? It doesnt matter. But using your enemy's psychological foibles against them is a GOOD way to fight a war. And if these morons felt that their personal honor was at stake and caused them to act stupidly, then that is just Darwin's law being applied scientifically. swhitebull

these are my thoughts even if i read the most silly thing on usa soldiers and you cant change them also what you have wrote is your thoughts and i cant change them but you want to despise the people that dont share your thoughts and this is a big mistake to me. BUT my sense of honour is not arabic, it is completely turkish and it doesn't support to kill defenseless women and children. we turkish people think that this is a big shame not an honour. also i think i can say something abt what does honour means to me. honour is to fight the war in rules (dont get the meaning in medieval times) not to kill defenseless civils in the mosques... by the meaning honor i dont mean to blow your self up i mean playing the game accourding to the rules (if bombing the area till life symptoms stop american game rules than play it that way but there will always be someone to play the game dirtier than you) you misunderstood me by thinking that my honour critiraion is like arabs

"BUT my sense of honour is not arabic, it is completely turkish and it doesn't support to kill defenseless women and children. we turkish people think that this is a big shame not an honour. " I love this line from people....especially ones that aren't in a conflict. Then turn around and say the US does exactly what they DO NOT do..... ALL I got to say is until you're Neck deep in the SH*t it's real easy to say we don't do this or that....heck the world in general has no idea what war is like anymore b/c they hide behind their rightousness and inability to make a difference anywhere so they don't bother. I really would like to see the Turkish Military behave as you say as your country is falling....You lie like a rug if you say your tactics wouldn't change....it is war....right? The US for all the blame it gets saves more lives than you can ever imagine and it's obvious with ignorant statements that the US kills women and children with no regard (KANE!!! Yes that's directed towards you) If we didn't care about women and children we'd obliterate the entire country so we didn't have deal with anyone....and you know we could do it...so please stay away from the US don't care attitude, we've lost 2000 men b/c we do care...given the fact that we didn't we'd pry have lost about 10 total...get it? Got it? Good....

every single countries men/women fought for their country everyone had casulties but this comparrison turkish soldier-american soldier(throught the whole history) Turkish history is much more proud g When americans were revolting ONE OF OUR greatest empires were struggling(ottomans 6 century....) in Turkish culture being a soldier is a very proud thing when a soldier goes to army everyone araound celebrates this and they shout "EN BÜYÜK ASKER BÝZÝM ASKER"means greatest soldier is ours and thats why women were fighting along with men i won't say americans are coward because your soldiers chose to come to iraq(professional army)-michael moore says many were fooled "I suggest you watch BlackHawk Down. "don't watch too many movies,the sergeant were JUST walking under fire if you make a stupid suggestion like this i would tell you to watch"valley of the wolves iraq"-i wouldn't because it's a stupid movie just like black hawk down "Or other unnumerable battles in Korea. " yeah when allies were running away turkish soldier were figting with their bayonets to save your asses we're not Arabs,LEARN THIS.We were living in central asia(many are still livin-kazakhs,uzbeks,turkmens,azerbeycan....) we were nomad and always fighting-research HUNS,GOKTURKS,UYGURS(mongols were under Turkish rule and they were influenced by turkish culture) then many came to anatolia(anatolian Turks) and chose Islam( research seljuks,ottomans....) in the beginning Turkmens fought as soldiers in the arabian empire but arabians were treating turks bad then seljuks beat byzantine and took many land from them.Anatolia became a Turkish land...............i shouldn't change the topic sorry RESULT:honour is a very important thing in turkish culture(not just abt army) army is one of the most important thing in Turkish culture but it's only one of them,there are plenty of things Turks always fight with honour(ex:gallipoli war,one of the politest war the world has ever seen) of course honour is very important for many cultures but it has different meanings for Turks(lighter than japanese honour :D) and Americans are not cowards BUT those terrorists are not cowards too even the PKK terrorists that are ambushing our soldiers are not cowards Fýghting is really scary man,i sometimes think of it,and listen injured veterans

"I really would like to see the Turkish Military behave as you say as your country is falling...." what do you mean??!! besides you can not see this because we don't invade countries,especially over ocean we are figting aganist terror too,and our fight began before US i didn't say US is killing innocents but they are causing deaths(bombings,causing more terror,and now a civil war-probably some soldiers killed innocent because they were scared,this is a psychological thing) "so please stay away from the US don't care attitude, we've lost 2000 men b/c we do care...given the fact that we didn't we'd pry have lost about 10 total...get it? Got it? Good...." no i didn't get it,if you mean Turks do not care abt deaths-lol even if only ONE soldier gets killed hundreds of people go to that funeral and curse terror.women and men cry beside the þehit(which has a deep meaning in our culture)soldier's coffin.everyone hugs the coffin surrounded by Turkish flag(used only in death of soldiers and important people like poets,PMs...) images>>>"þehit" plsss

"Terrorism is for Scared B!thces who are a afraid to fight face to face what the stupid alqaeda does is hid behind builds and ally ways with an RPG waiting for days to finale see a usa convoy go by the shoot at the convoy and be lucky to blow off one of the wheels on the convoy after wards they run away what does that acomplish nothing... " many Turkish truck drivers were killed by terrorists to make more money,they worked for you Thousands of turkish troops in Afghanistan cleaning US's next:US will probably leave Iraq to NATO and to more cheap Turkish soldiers ready to die anytime

I guess I misunderstood what you said when I read This, direct quote from you Kane: "US is the msot coward country,before the invasion they bomb the whole country for months kill civilians and destroy homes" To me that says the US are cowards, and they don't fight anyone until they've bombed the country into submission not only the enemy military, but the civilians as well....I'm sorry Kane, but that's exactly what you said....you can't change that around...US IS THE MOST COWARD COUNTRY, and WE BOMB FOR MONTHS AND KILL CIVILIANS AND DESTROY HOMES. Again, if we wanted to bomb civilians we'd just do it...I don't know where you get your news from but it seems that there are a lot of buildings still standing and let us not forget about the valuable shrines that went unscathed from US bombs.... Turkey is fighting NOWHERE near the war the US has fought in 2 countries. You may be fighting terroists, but it's minor, it's like what the US is doing now...not what we did to get into the country...see the difference? Also, Turkey will not be used in Iraq, I don't think we'd allow Turkey into Iraq b/c of their outright hatred for the only stable ethnic group in Iraq....that being the kurds. While you may hate the PKK they were and are the only reason Saddam's Iraq was not on your doorstep as well...The Kurds have forged their own Economy during the no-fly zone era of Iraq and actually are the Glue to Iraq.....Turkey's outspoken hatred of them, and attempts to get into those areas during the early parts of the war display that they can not be trusted on this issue. It was asked that Turkey not get involved in Iraq, next thing we know the US is blamed for capturing Turkish Military in the Kurd part of Iraq. How can the US Capture Turkish troops if they're not in Iraq?

"To me that says the US are cowards, and they don't fight anyone until they've bombed the country into submission not only the enemy military, but the civilians as well....I'm sorry Kane, but that's exactly what you said....you can't change that around...US IS THE MOST COWARD COUNTRY, and WE BOMB FOR MONTHS AND KILL CIVILIANS AND DESTROY HOMES." this is true in a way, maybe usa's first aim is not to kill civils and no doubt they can do it if they want cause they are just spending money like water, but how can thay be sure that they do not send a missle to a civil place or there is a probability to hit a civil place. AND we say that if usa hits a civil place while they are bombing the area they dont care about this.