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Subject: Azmodius, Pars Kane et al.
olive greens    3/1/2006 9:54:50 AM
Following the debate from "Military Solution to Islam" - some contents of which are in serious violation of StratPage SYSOPs rules (like advocating genocide), but otherwise contains some legitimate discussion points - my $0.02: Azmodius: "Hindu Kush" literally translates to "Indian/Hindu Killer". Though millions of Hindus have been killed by Islamic invaders over time, I think the name has nothing to do with it. Its an ambiguious name that can mean "Killer for Indians/Hindus" when an invading force is decimated by the hardship of crossing it, OR it might mean "Killer of Indians/Hindus" when an invading force is able to master its strategic heights. That, of course, does nothing to offset the barbaric progrom carried out there and rest of the world - but its just an academic issue of linguistics. The popularity of associating "Hindu Kush" with "Killer of Indians/Hindus" came to be during the First Afghan War when 40,000 British and Indian troops were wiped out by Afghans. Quite a number of the Indian soldiers were Muslims - so it leads me to believe "Hindu" means Indian in general, rather than the religion.
 
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olive greens    RE:Azmodius, Pars Kane et al.   3/1/2006 10:03:26 AM
Oh I forgot all about Pars & Kane... ... I dont think Muslims - especially Turks - are innocent lambs, but neither do I condone people calling for genocide simply because of what you are. I suspect you are Muslim only because your father, his father and his father were always that {at least thats how I am a Hindu}, so unless you have done something wrong personally I find it repulsive to see people heckle you. Neither does StratPage SYSOPs (this is more or less a decent site, despite some zealots on both sides... you should have seen Paks during their day, but the fact that they are more or less all kicked out speaks for itself) - I suggest taking it up with SYSOPs instead of debating it out.
 
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olive greens    RE:Azmodius, Pars Kane et al.   3/1/2006 10:22:18 AM
Also kane, If the Ottomans were a tenth as good as you think them to be, they would be 10 times better than they actually were. Ottomans were just one among the many who fell into the classic 2-3-4-5 string rule that basically defines Eurasian power-politics. BTW, Shah Jahan (Cahian as you say it) was more India and Iranian than Turkish ~ hence an incompetent fool. As I recall he was 1/2 Indian Rajput, 3/8 Iranian Shahi, 1/8 Turko-Mongol Mughal. He was as violent as a Turko-Mongol, as greedy as an Iranian, and as foolish as an Indian politician. No wonder he built the most expensive piece of junk for a dead woman the world is ever going to see.
 
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kane    RE:Azmodius, Pars Kane et al.   3/1/2006 11:50:22 AM
"If the Ottomans were a tenth as good as you think them to be, they would be 10 times better than they actually were. " they were better tahn you think.Thats why they stayed on their foot for 6 centuries till getting invaded by France,Britain,Italy,Russians and rebels. Ottomans become an empire when they conquered Istanbul(Fatih Sultan Mehmet) Best times were when Suleiman was the Emparor.Than vizier koprülü lead the empire and in 19th century fall of Ottomans began.It's really hard to tell whole Ottoman history (what they did,scientific things,language........) i've been making researches from hundreds of sources since i was in 6th grade(9th now) and i still have plenty of things to learn so i'm waiting for 10th grade.In 10th grade whole history lessons will be abt Ottomans
 
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Azmodius    RE: Olive greens   3/1/2006 12:08:10 PM
"some contents of which are in serious violation of StratPage SYSOPs rules (like advocating genocide), " give me a break. Not ONE thing i have said advocated genocide. why dont you look up the definition and quit with dropping the sysops name as if that gives you some kind of credibility in your claim. Sysops will step in on the appropriate party when violations happen. Show me where i advocate genocide? And yes, this is a valid thread. ive identified a religion as a problem and asked how to deal with that religion military to get rid of it. if the question offends people too bad. no one has to agree with the premise that islam is bad. the thread was just asking HOW to use military might to get rid of islam. if no one has any idea on how to do it then fine, they dont have to post.
 
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olive greens    RE: Olive greens   3/1/2006 12:46:33 PM
>> Not ONE thing i have said advocated genocide. << Sorry but things others have said in your thread do say as much: RE:USSMC 2/27/2006 8:50:00 PM Very, very sorry for my English. Me hate all Muslims. Me want to nuke Turkey and all Middle Eastern countries except Israel. Cheers.... http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/93-6006.asp ---------------------------------------- >> why dont you look up the definition and quit with dropping the sysops name as if that gives you some kind of credibility in your claim. << Main Entry: geno·cide Pronunciation: 'jen-&-"sId Function: noun : the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group —compare --------------------------------------- If I do pull up your thread in a public library or a large workplace, I know I wont be reading even the legitimate content (in the same thread) for long. Which is where SYSOPs comes in.
 
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kane    RE:sentence for ottomans   3/1/2006 3:22:36 PM
"after reaching top only way is to go down" haha thats great
 
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Azmodius    RE: Olive greens   3/1/2006 6:14:14 PM
I dont care what others have said or advocated. next time address those people. Whats funny is you posted to me about genocide then came back with posts for the other 2 separately. "Main Entry: geno·cide Pronunciation: 'jen-&-"sId Function: noun : the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group —compare" Im so glad you looked up the definition. Ill wait for my appology for your inability to comprehend word meanings. I called for the destruction of ISLAM, not a people. the religion needs to be rubbed out of existence. "If I do pull up your thread in a public library or a large workplace, I know I wont be reading even the legitimate content (in the same thread) for long. Which is where SYSOPs comes in" Wow, this just drips of butt-kissing. you hoping sysops notices your valiant but wrongfully attempt to decide which content is acceptable and which is not? you gonna get an award for trying to "get in good"? Why dont you either stick to topic or stay out of it?
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE: Olive greens   3/2/2006 1:47:54 AM
""Wow, this just drips of butt-kissing. you hoping sysops notices your valiant but wrongfully attempt to decide which content is acceptable and which is not? you gonna get an award for trying to "get in good"? Why dont you either stick to topic or stay out of it?"" --->PP-when will u ever learn...If u need to work on your freaking assignments then this thread or the other ones arent the place for u to be be... AZM is right---stay out of it... You're like a parasite dude....
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE: Olive greens-PP   3/2/2006 1:50:15 AM
""Sorry but things others have said in your thread do say as much: RE:USSMC 2/27/2006 8:50:00 PM Very, very sorry for my English. Me hate all Muslims. Me want to nuke Turkey and all Middle Eastern countries except Israel. Cheers.... http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/93-6006.asp"" --->This was more like a tongue-in-cheek expression....Follow the thread closely if ur gonna resort to your usual trash talk...Get a life PP-ur embarassing!
 
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mustavaris    Taj Mahal/Ottoman decline   3/3/2006 6:31:48 AM
1# Taj Mahal is not a piece of junk, it´s one of the most beautiful human creations out there. If you love someone and want to honour her memory and got helluva lot of resources... why not? Wise? Not sure about it, but it´s not always a matter of wisdom or cost efficiency. 2# Ottoman decline/Kane Ottoman momemntum started to rot in 17th century or maybe earlier. When comparing them to European forces they had their greatest time in 15th or early 16th century, after that Europeans started to catch up and by the second half of the 17th century it was obvious that they had surpassed them, clearly. Ottomans were still able to field magnificent siege army, but their troops were inferior in field battles. Their failure to capture Vienna and losing Budapest in 17th century pretty much confirms this. And the number of lesser setbacks is rather big... Starting from that era, they were basically trying to hold ground and the decline in 19th century could be called a break down. The rise of clergy in the 16th century killed the great scientifical heritage they had gotten from Arabic/Persian civilizations and unability to reform their economy together with losing position in world trade meant that they couldn´t afford to wield military forces essential to challenge the rising European powers; never to mention the fact that Ottomans needed a lot of troops to control the area they had conquered.
 
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