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Subject: you can NEVER stop terror by fighting
kane    11/12/2005 9:50:18 AM
you can NEVER stop terror by fighting.killing will not stop them it will make them more powerful. think if whole iraq becomes a terrorist.how are u gonna stop them. bush thinks he can stop them by fighting. as a citizen from a country(TURKEY) that fights aganist terror, i say that you can't stop it by fighting.we've been fighting aganist pkk for twent years.we killed too many but they are still growing.we must take to kurds to our side to stop PKK. BUSH should do the same to stop terror and the only thing he can do is to retreat.iraq won't forget this but terrorism will be slowed down.
 
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Pseudonym    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting   11/12/2005 12:59:31 PM
You are so so ignorant to reality. If we leave Iraq it will not slow down terror. It will increase terror, it will give the enemy a major win that will turn into more support of their population. As it is now, Al Qaeda is killing so many Muslims while we fight them that they are their own worst enemy. Thousands of years of history have shown us one thing about how to fight Middle Eastern and North African terror, that is they respect only our force of arms. They do not respect us, our culture, our women, our children, they want to KILL US ALL AS WE ARE INFIDELS. History proves the only way to stop these people is to make the results of attacking us so pointless and counterproductive that their support base will disappear. This is the lesson we teach to terrorists. "I fear that all we have is done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." - Admiral Ishiro Yammamoto, following the attack on Pearl Harbor.
 
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kane    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting   11/12/2005 1:40:06 PM
the terror began because of your attack.there were no nuclear weapons.if you wanted to help those people you made a greater mistake.whþle saddam was leading there iraq wasn't losing this much people.everyday terrorists kill in iraq because of you attack.i'm also sad about your soldiers.they're gonna need psychological help.
 
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bsl    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting   11/12/2005 10:51:56 PM
"the terror began because of your attack" Really? I was in New York on 9-11. That was before there were any American forces in Iraq and Saddam Hussein was in power. If violence really solved nothing, Turkey would still be an empire.
 
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Jimme    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting   11/13/2005 1:07:40 AM
" you can NEVER stop terror by fighting."-Kane What should we do? put up the white flag? hand over our Nation and Arms to Terrorist? appease them? Anti-Terrorism 101 : NEVER negotiate, NEVER give in to demands or it will signal every loon and whack job that, if they want there way, all the have to do is use terrorism. Fighting back and taking a zero tolerance stance is the most effective way to combat terrorism. Once they see all there tactics are not effective they'll eventualy change there tune or lose support. In case you havent been paying attention, Iraq has latly become an INCREDIBLE SUCCESS in the War on Terror. Don't believe me? look at the most recent AP releases. this is one of there most recent: --------------------------------------****-------------------------------------- ZARQA, Jordan - In this rundown industrial town where the al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was born, residents expressed anger, skepticism and dismay Saturday that one of their own could be behind Amman's triple bombings that killed 57 people, mostly Arabs and Muslims. "If there were still any people with any sympathy left for al-Zarqawi, it's gone now. It has backfired on him," said Zuheir Najjar, 45. By ZEINA KARAM, Associated Press Writer. entire article can be found here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/jordan_zarqawi_s_hometown ---------------------------------------****------------------------------------
 
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FJV    You can NEVER stop fighting terror    11/13/2005 11:58:56 AM
That's a better motto IMHO. Especially when it concerns child murdering bastards like the ones who pulled off Beslan. Oh and the Iranian freaks had no problem using children to clear minefields or "demoralize Iraqis" before any Bush took office. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20041104.html
I eventually finished the piece and decided to go see the war since I had been in Beirut and Angola, but had never seen trench warfare, which is what I was told they had going in Iran. So I took a taxi to the front, introduced myself to the local commander, who had gone, as I recall, to Iowa State, and spent a couple days waiting for the impending human wave attack. That attack was to be conducted primarily with 11-and 12-year-old boys as troops, nearly all of them unarmed. There were several thousand kids and their job was to rise out of the trench, praising Allah, run across No Man's Land, be killed by the Iraqi machine gunners, then go directly to Paradise, do not pass GO, do not collect 200 dinars. And that's exactly what happened in a battle lasting less than 10 minutes. None of the kids fired a shot or made it all the way to the other side. And when I asked the purpose of this exercise, I was told it was to demoralize the cowardly Iraqi soldiers.
If you want to know the REAL reason why then maybe you should consider this quote: http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/2005%20October.htm
Sacrifice is one of the most consistent principles throughout all history of religion. Ostensibly the purpose of sacrifice is to propitiate the gods, but in reality it exists to affirm the power of the priesthood. Every society has its witch doctors, who exploit the naivety of their fellows to hold them in thrall. The two essential features of sacrifice are that it is pointless but painful. In the extreme it involves the murder of innocents. The son of Abraham might have had a last-minute reprieve, but in societies ranging from the Aztecs to the Minoans human sacrifice was conducted on a large scale. These children died to affirm the power of the mullas, the US has nothing to do with that. The terrorists child murderers of Beslan could have chosen a military target, yet they didn't. They wanted to affirm their power by pointlessly murdering children.
 
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FJV    RE:You can NEVER stop fighting terror    11/13/2005 12:02:18 PM
The part: These children died to affirm the power of the mullas, the US has nothing to do with that. The terrorists child murderers of Beslan could have chosen a military target, yet they didn't. They wanted to affirm their power by pointlessly murdering children. was added by me (fault in blockquote command)
 
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Thomas3    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting   11/13/2005 4:43:20 PM
Kane: Everything considered I think we are doing fine. The casualties in Europe are dropping, the jails are getting fuller, the nutcases have gone to Iraq where the proper professional help is there to cater to their wishes. About Turkey: Let's be frank: Terrorism and PKK in Turkey has NOTHING to do with islam. It is just some people that are going to loose a relatively cozy life due to the integration of Turkey into Europe - which unfortunately will take longer, because the issues are being sidetracked.
 
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Schackleford    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting   12/22/2005 6:35:21 AM
"the nutcases have gone to Iraq where the proper professional help is there to cater to their wishes." :-)
 
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Schackleford    You can NEVER stop terror by NOT fighting   12/22/2005 6:44:33 AM
"the terror began because of your attack" Ridiculous. Were was the terror before 9/11. The West didn't start this war. But we are going to end it. "there were no nuclear weapons" Bush was wrong to claim that, I agree. But we did have a insane dictator who possesed WMD and supported terrorists. We did have an oppressed people who needed to be liberated. In conclusion: We did have a good cause, even without the nukes. "if you wanted to help those people you made a greater mistake" How could removing Saddam Hussein and the Baath regime from power possibly be a mistake? "whþle saddam was leading there iraq wasn't losing this much people" Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq through five different intelligence services ,who killed everyone that didn't agree with the regime. Saddam Hussein and his men punished entire cities for the alleged "crimes" of a few individuals. Saddam Husseins sons were very fond of torturing people, including the entire soccer team when they lost a match. A special torture dungeon was located directly beneath the stadium to facilitate easy transfer of failing players. I assure you, when Saddam Hussein was in power, every single day was a blood bath. The terrorism we have had post-liberation can nowhere near compete with it. "everyday terrorists kill in iraq because of you attack" How can that be the West's fault? The Coalition are doing their best to STOP this (and are succeding, I might add) "i'm also sad about your soldiers.they're gonna need psychological help." Don't believe everything you hear from liberal media. The troops are going to be just fine.
 
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Pars    RE:bsl   12/22/2005 2:41:31 PM
I was New York at 8/11 and was planning to visit Twin towers but instead I went to Philadelphia to visit a friend. But 9/11 is not reason why you are at Iraq; it is the reason why you are in Afghanistan. It was never proven that Iraq governmnet was ever involved with Al-Queda. Iraq is invaded because of 1st Gulf War. USA left an unfinished business at the end of that war. And needed to finish it.
 
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