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Subject: you can NEVER stop terror by fighting
kane    11/12/2005 9:50:18 AM
you can NEVER stop terror by fighting.killing will not stop them it will make them more powerful. think if whole iraq becomes a terrorist.how are u gonna stop them. bush thinks he can stop them by fighting. as a citizen from a country(TURKEY) that fights aganist terror, i say that you can't stop it by fighting.we've been fighting aganist pkk for twent years.we killed too many but they are still growing.we must take to kurds to our side to stop PKK. BUSH should do the same to stop terror and the only thing he can do is to retreat.iraq won't forget this but terrorism will be slowed down.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Pars   2/19/2006 12:54:53 AM
Do Saldam Rushdie have a right to write a fictional book about Quran? Yes. -->Great!! But not a subject that I like to read. --->Why not?!?!?!?
 
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Pars    RE:Pars   2/19/2006 4:44:19 AM
I do not like religious fiction. I also did not read "Da Vinci's Code".
 
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RaptorZ    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting   2/20/2006 10:06:24 AM
"you can NEVER stop terror by fighting.killing will not stop them it will make them more powerful. think if whole iraq becomes a terrorist.how are u gonna stop them. bush thinks he can stop them by fighting. as a citizen from a country(TURKEY) that fights aganist terror, i say that you can't stop it by fighting.we've been fighting aganist pkk for twent years.we killed too many but they are still growing.we must take to kurds to our side to stop PKK. BUSH should do the same to stop terror and the only thing he can do is to retreat.iraq won't forget this but terrorism will be slowed down. " That is entirely untrue. The issue is if you're going to fight it, then you really have to FIGHT it. But the hand tied behind the back scenario is rearing it's ugly head again. If we were to anhilate areas where we know where the enemy hides I guarantee that the places that don't hide em yet would not want these guys to come stay in their towns. But this finding individuals in towns of 1000's is pretty much not gonna work. Though you have to give credit to those militaries that try to keep the so-called civilians out of the fight.
 
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Mex101    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting   2/20/2006 10:25:44 AM
perhaps they were right violence is not the answer!
 
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RaptorZ    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting   2/20/2006 12:59:55 PM
perhaps they were right violence is not the answer! This view is based on what? The US's violence against the Middle East in the 40's? No the 50's no wait, the 60's, or is it the 70's? maybe the 80's? Yep, the 90's is when you have to find any real US aggression...there was some in the 80's but minimal, and all responses to them. If you think making friends and group hugs is the way to go, i'll probably expect to see you show up either kidnapped or dead. They have 0 interest in getting along. their ultimate goal is transform you to be like them, and if you don't well then you die. Please, tell me the line of reason you're going to take with them? Their leadership is corrupt, they're for the most part simple people with no desires in life, and finally uneducated. The only way to end it for a bit is this, Move all western companies/people/assets out of the middle east. But let's be real, once that territory is under control they'll expand. This is exactly what they want, people to start saying violence isn't the answer, even though the terrorists are the one's that started the violence. No the real answer is kill many and kill often, beat them down to a point where they say, ok we'll stop. But it won't happen b/c there's too many that say defend the innocents etc....sorry but in war if you hide a bunch of terrorists/enemy then you are too the enemy, but the US has lost sight of that.
 
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RaptorZ    RE:Islam and I - Pars   2/20/2006 1:13:55 PM
"Islam and I 1/29/2006 5:42:52 AM Hmm... Tell me if I get it right. According to you every Muslim is an uneducated, fanatic punk, who can not even debate about a subject rationally. I guess that is how culturalism blinds mankind. I am a well educated, rational man, who can rationally debate on any reasonable subject. I am a Muslim because my parents were Muslims. I would probably be Christian if my parents were Christians. I guess that argument is probably true for most of the people in this world. We generally follow the religion of our parents. I am not a scholar of Islam. I do not know every detail of religions. And honestly I do not care. But I know the common things. Personally, I judge people by his character not by his nationality or religion. There are good and evil, right and wrong in every nationality and religion. To think otherwise is being prejudgemental which is not a good thing. According to my knowledge all 3 religion who believes in the God. The basic good and evil deeds are the same. There are many sects who are very close to other sects in other religions. Some of the examples are: Bogomil sect of Christianity is very close to Bektasi sect of Islam. Sagetay sect of Islam is very close to Judaism. So, as far as I can see, these 3 religions are believing in the same God. Foolowing the same general principles, have similar belief of right and wrong. So unknowingly we are indeed in different mega-sects of the same religion as the differances are all in the details. I and most of the Turks do not recognise any authority who can declare a fatwa. Only authority that could do that was Caliph and there is no Caliph in the world since 1923 when Turkish republic abolished the Caliphate" No offense but this Crap is gettin old. I'm gettin tired of hearing the, "We don't believe in what those crazy imam's or clerics say, we're the good muslims" yet you're too afraid to stop em let alone even voice against it openly. Seems to me Islam has been hijacked and there is no one in the Islamic commmunity that's going to stop em. So who has to? Stop with the "there's more good Muslims than bad" To me if there's a wrong, community leaders etc should be denouncing this, instead their silence looks like either they're scared, or overwhelmingly in support of. Pick one or the other either way...you can see what it's doing. It's really becoming that simple. It's crap when 1000's of students can yell out that they'll join Al Qaeda b/c of a stupid cartoon. And then take it out on countries IE the US that help them get back on their feet. Religeon is important but where'd the message of Love or even respect get lost? B/C I see none of that out of all these countries.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    FaRtwas!   2/21/2006 2:53:25 AM
Any Fatwas issued against Laden and company for being UnIslamic?
 
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Pars    RE:RaptorZ   2/21/2006 2:53:52 PM
Sorry but your crap is getting old. Turkey is fighting against radical Islam at least since 1923 which is far older than any other country. Turkey did abolish the Caliphate at 1924. Wahhabis declared their first Jihad against Ottoman Empire at 1790's. They again declared Jihad during WW1 while they were allies of UK. They declared their 3rd Jihad at 1924 after new Turkish republic abolished the caliphate. Many Turkish ambassadors and journalists have been killed by them. Al Queda propagated that Turkey is an evil godless country which is a puppet of evil West. Al Queda did blow several bombs in my country killing many of our citisens. Unlike Turkey; USA and West in general is new in this fight. So, please do not try to sell your racist "all muslims are evil" crap to me.
 
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Pars    RE:FaRtwas!   2/21/2006 2:56:30 PM
Which part of posts you did not understand? After 1924, noone has a right to issue a Fatwa. There is no authority that has a right to do it. So for Turks every fatwa since 1924 are false, crap.
 
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blitZ    Some ruthlesness is necessary   2/21/2006 3:49:43 PM
Intelligence is the best weapon against terrorists. Infiltrate their organisation thorougly and then eliminate the leadership systematically. Cut the source of funding i.e. Saudi Arabia. Block the passage of foreign terrorists trying to get inside Iraq's borders. AND.... Be ruthless witht the population if they harbour any terrorists. Give them rewards if they help you. One simple but effective method is, threaten to kill the whole family of any terrorist that is identified, no leniency. Fanatics dont care about their lives, but everyone cares about the life of their little brothers and sisters, mother and fathers. And make some examples of this if need be. I believe there will be a remarkable drop in insurgency. Because any insurgency feeds off the support of a host population. A smart mix of fear and reward can drive that population away from the insurgents.
 
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