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Subject: you can NEVER stop terror by fighting
kane    11/12/2005 9:50:18 AM
you can NEVER stop terror by fighting.killing will not stop them it will make them more powerful. think if whole iraq becomes a terrorist.how are u gonna stop them. bush thinks he can stop them by fighting. as a citizen from a country(TURKEY) that fights aganist terror, i say that you can't stop it by fighting.we've been fighting aganist pkk for twent years.we killed too many but they are still growing.we must take to kurds to our side to stop PKK. BUSH should do the same to stop terror and the only thing he can do is to retreat.iraq won't forget this but terrorism will be slowed down.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Schackleford-trustedsourceofinfo   1/27/2006 11:30:17 PM
Huh!Please tell me how did you ever construe that I am an authority on Islam by reading the Satanic verses? All I asked was why was a fatwa issued against rushdie for writing a 'fictional' book? Yes,I have read Bukhari's sunnah haadiths -so I consider myseldf knowledgeable wrt the prophet!I have also read the Koran~20 chapters... Albeit ,they were translations ,by arabic scholars themselves! You follow Islam because you've been doing that since ur toddler years...You are probably another punk in that long line of blind followers. It kinda surprised me when you asked how I ever came to the conclusion that Islam promotes terror.. Either you're blind to the ground reality or you choose to be!Again-I dont blame you for that...It has been fed into every living neuron of your body that Islam can never ever be wrong and the only 'wrong' ones are the disbelievers... Well,fortunately,I can understand/see the ground reality! So again,let me pose this question to you...Why was a fatwa issued against Rushdie...was it right/wrong-Your comments? Next,we'll get into the life of the Prophet if u'd care to debate me... I often debate these crazy fanatics from Pakistan but I havent found one Paki who can debate after a couple of posts...You may not disappoint me... See how these pakis talk trash and vanish forever.. http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/594-1017.asp
 
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Pars    Islam and I   1/29/2006 5:42:52 AM
Hmm... Tell me if I get it right. According to you every Muslim is an uneducated, fanatic punk, who can not even debate about a subject rationally. I guess that is how culturalism blinds mankind. I am a well educated, rational man, who can rationally debate on any reasonable subject. I am a Muslim because my parents were Muslims. I would probably be Christian if my parents were Christians. I guess that argument is probably true for most of the people in this world. We generally follow the religion of our parents. I am not a scholar of Islam. I do not know every detail of religions. And honestly I do not care. But I know the common things. Personally, I judge people by his character not by his nationality or religion. There are good and evil, right and wrong in every nationality and religion. To think otherwise is being prejudgemental which is not a good thing. According to my knowledge all 3 religion who believes in the God. The basic good and evil deeds are the same. There are many sects who are very close to other sects in other religions. Some of the examples are: Bogomil sect of Christianity is very close to Bektasi sect of Islam. Sagetay sect of Islam is very close to Judaism. So, as far as I can see, these 3 religions are believing in the same God. Foolowing the same general principles, have similar belief of right and wrong. So unknowingly we are indeed in different mega-sects of the same religion as the differances are all in the details. I and most of the Turks do not recognise any authority who can declare a fatwa. Only authority that could do that was Caliph and there is no Caliph in the world since 1923 when Turkish republic abolished the Caliphate.
 
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anuts    RE:Islam and I   1/29/2006 6:23:23 AM
"Hmm... Tell me if I get it right. According to you every Muslim is an uneducated, fanatic punk, who can not even debate about a subject rationally." To whom might you be addressing this?
 
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Pars    RE:Islam and I; adressing to Trustedsourceinfo   1/30/2006 11:33:38 AM
Sorry, I am adressing to Trustedsourceinfo; as he said so. I am not talking in general.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Pars   1/31/2006 12:27:03 AM
""Tell me if I get it right. According to you every Muslim is an uneducated, fanatic punk, who can not even debate about a subject rationally."" -->Yeah-you got it right!I am usually presumptuous unless proven otherwise! But it wasnt like this;I have built such an opinion based on debating with most Pakis and even Indian Muslims! I am an Indian Hindu if you're wondering! ""Personally, I judge people by his character not by his nationality or religion. There are good and evil, right and wrong in every nationality and religion. To think otherwise is being prejudgemental which is not a good thing."" -->you're absolutely right again... ""I am not a scholar of Islam. I do not know every detail of religions. And honestly I do not care. But I know the common things. "" -->Ok!Let me understand one thing!Since you like to rationalise your opinion and you AINT blinded by any cultures/relgions/prejudices-Why do you revere Prophet Mohammed.You spoke very highly of the prophet..BAsed on what?How did u come to that conclusion...What was your source of truth...Summarize for me and I'll get the gist... Also,you reject fatwas-Great!So are we in agreement that Rushdie did what he had to do and it was very much within his rights to do so...But the people calling for his death were wrong...Please answer the question unambiguously!
 
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Pars    RE:Pars   2/1/2006 6:58:46 PM
For Saldam Rushdie. Noone has a right to call his death. Noone has a right to call annyone's death. I revere Prophet Mohammed beause of history. Before his time, Arabs were politically, culturally and historically a backwater group. Just after his time they defeated 2 biggest Empires of their time and founded one of the greatest Empires and cultures of all times. Change is very interesting. You may believe in him or not but if you are a rationale person you must admire what he had accomplished.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Pars   2/3/2006 2:46:33 AM
"For Saldam Rushdie. Noone has a right to call his death. Noone has a right to call annyone's death." -->yes,I understood that previously that you recognise no fatwa! What I am interested to know from you was whther Rushdie did what he had to do and wthether that was right or wrong! The answer is right or wrong!
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Pars   2/15/2006 1:36:15 AM
Your silence on the same convinces me that even a so called self proclaimed rational and moderate Muslim actually thinks that Rushdie was clearly on the wrong side? How on earth can we ever think Islam is ever tolerant when educated people like you maintain silence on such an issue... I rest my case....
 
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Mex101    RE:Pars   2/15/2006 4:35:55 PM
You dont need to be a show off a bout it. I cloud of used more harsh words but I decide to not.
 
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Pars    RE:Pars   2/15/2006 5:12:06 PM
No, I simply did not read his book. I can not say if he is right and wrong before reading it. If you mean by right if you mean: Do Saldam Rushdie have a right to write a fictional book about Quran? Yes. But not a subject that I like to read.
 
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