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Subject: you can NEVER stop terror by fighting
kane    11/12/2005 9:50:18 AM
you can NEVER stop terror by fighting.killing will not stop them it will make them more powerful. think if whole iraq becomes a terrorist.how are u gonna stop them. bush thinks he can stop them by fighting. as a citizen from a country(TURKEY) that fights aganist terror, i say that you can't stop it by fighting.we've been fighting aganist pkk for twent years.we killed too many but they are still growing.we must take to kurds to our side to stop PKK. BUSH should do the same to stop terror and the only thing he can do is to retreat.iraq won't forget this but terrorism will be slowed down.
 
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Schackleford    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting IN TURKEY   1/19/2006 8:24:07 AM
"in the beginning i wrote for all world but now i changed it.I mostly believe you,you had enough proofs but the terror in Turkey is different." Terrorism is terrorism. There are no major subdivisions ora variants. "and those Terrorists are not real muslims.In islam killing someone is the worst thing but they think they are doing the right thing(but they're not)" Read your Koran. Islam not only accepts but condones the murder of any infidel, any women, or anyone who commmits highway robbery. Muhammed himself had no problem killing thousands just to increase his own power. "Don't think them as islamic terrorists.Think them as psycho anti-americans and freedom fighters for iraq." Freedom fighters? Whose freedom? These people are fighting against the legimate government of Iraq, killing thousands of innocent civilians in deliberate and callous attacks. And they are doing it because they either want to reintroduce a Sunni led apartheid dictatorship or- even worse- force Sharia and a caliphate upon the people of the world.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting IN TURKEY   1/21/2006 12:44:52 AM
They're Islamic terrorists.Plain and simple! When you kill inspired by Allah you're Islamic terrorists. Lets not even get into what the Koran has to say abt killing disbelievers... But please dont legitimise those acts of terror by calling them freedom fighters...
 
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Pars    RE:Schackleford teaching Islam to Muslims.   1/21/2006 11:33:47 PM
I always find it interesting when a non-Muslim trying to teach me what is Islam. I never tried to teach Chrisitanity to a Christian because I know it would be absurd and let me say it foolish. In Islam you can only kill in self-defense or in the defense of your country as a soldier. If you do kill for any other purpose, you will commit a very great sin. Just like in Christianity. If someone says you otherwise he is lying. That is pure and simple. Killing for the God is the greatest sin this world has ever seen. Sadly in the history of the world many people from many religions had committed that sin. And for Hz. Muhammed. If you really want to learn his life; I can suggest several books written by impartial and respected Western writers. By the time being I can suggest little humbleness in the subjects that you do know very little about.
 
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Pars    RE:trustedsourceofinfo   1/21/2006 11:40:26 PM
I agree with you that anyone who kills an unarmed person is a murderer. I disagree with you in the other subject. As well as you might know, the God which is the same God in all 3 religions, do not inspire men to kill. The God is simply omnipotent and do not need mortals to do his job. I wonder from where you all get this wrong informations about Islam. That is weird. Islam and Christianity are not that different from each other about sins. To simply put most things that are sin in Christianity are also sin in Islam. The differances are few and in minor subjects.
 
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Schackleford    RE:Schackleford teaching Islam to Muslims.   1/22/2006 4:10:17 AM
"I always find it interesting when a non-Muslim trying to teach me what is Islam. I never tried to teach Chrisitanity to a Christian because I know it would be absurd and let me say it foolish." Maybe I as a "non-Muslim" have always learned to seek scientific evidence and use logic and reasoning to any subject, rather then accepting the dogmatic views of those before me. "In Islam you can only kill in self-defense or in the defense of your country as a soldier. If you do kill for any other purpose, you will commit a very great sin. Just like in Christianity." Then explain why Muhammed slaughtered innocent people by the thousands. Explain why Jihads were waged against people that had never attacked a Muslim. Explain why Muhammed exterminated the Jewish tribes of Medina when he took power. Explain why Muhammed ordered a female poet to be stabbed to death in front of her children simply because she disagreed with his politics. Muhammed killed by the thousands for any selfish reason, and countless Muslims have continued the tradition to this day. "If someone says you otherwise he is lying. That is pure and simple." Not so simple given the nature of Muhammed and Islam. "Killing for the God is the greatest sin this world has ever seen. Sadly in the history of the world many people from many religions had committed that sin." I agree completely. However, Islam is different in that it's FOUNDER was also killing in the name of God and doing a looong list of other things that you would never expect a holy man of doing. Troughtout history, there has also been killing in the name of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism etc. But I have trouble finding any mentioning of atrocities commited by Moses, Jesus , Buddha or Kong Fuzi. "And for Hz. Muhammed. If you really want to learn his life; I can suggest several books written by impartial and respected Western writers." By all means do so. I already have read Ibn Warraq "Why I am not a Muslim" which is a scholarly masterpiece. He cites most major impartial and respected Western writers or, such as Bat Ye'or, Bernard Lewis, and countless others. I feel that it gives a complete and conclusive picture of Islam. If you have other suggestion I would like to hear them (although I won't guarantee that I can find the time to read them) "By the time being I can suggest little humbleness in the subjects that you do know very little about." For the time being I can suggest that you accept the fact that you don't have to be a Muslim in order to know about Islam. Quite the contrary, many Westerners know a great deal about Islam. Which is probably why they aren't Muslims...
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Pars   1/25/2006 2:07:32 AM
"" the God which is the same God in all 3 religions, do not inspire men to kill."" --->True!Very very true...God under no circumstance will ever inspire man to kill! On the contrary the Koran is full of instances asking men to kill the disbelievers. I dont believe what context it was written in but the word of God of God can never be death! We can get into the semantics of what the Koran has to say abt that but the Koran isnt clearly the word of God. As for Mohammad,I have read enuf abt him from the Sunnah Haadiths.Translations! I do not require to read any other book when the Sunnah haadiths clearly show him no more than a street thug! Can I ask you a question-why was fatwa issued against Salman Rushdie and why were regular muslims gunning for him?Think abt it an and answer...
 
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Schackleford    RE:Pars   1/25/2006 5:25:37 AM
"I do not require to read any other book when the Sunnah haadiths clearly show him no more than a street thug!" Regardless, I would still recommend Ibn Warraq "Why I am not a Muslim". It gives a really good background on Islam and Muhammed, a general walkthrough about the research into Islam by various historians, and even a general discussion of a more philosophical nature about the absurdity of many Islamic principles. "Can I ask you a question-why was fatwa issued against Salman Rushdie and why were regular muslims gunning for him?Think abt it an and answer..." Salman Rushdie wrote a critical book asking some hard questions about the nature of Islam. By comparison, critical books on Jesus, the Bible or Christianity could fill several libraries, yet the thought of taking out a contract on any of these writers would be unthinkable in the West. For some reason, Islam makes it's followers more inclined to use violence then any other religion.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Schackleford   1/26/2006 12:52:58 AM
I couldnt agree more! Average Muslims were ready to kill Rushdie at the drop of a fatwa. Unbelievable!I have a thread running on the Indian board where I have challenged anyone to prove me wrong that Moderate Islam is a sham. But I do believe this is the last of Pars and kane on this thread. Pars,for one,has absolutely no clue abt Islam!I cud tell him more abt the Koran than he ever has. It'll be fun if these punks show up again!
 
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Pars    RE:Schackleford-trustedsourceofinfo   1/27/2006 5:13:12 AM
He..he.. you are really funny. Do you really believe, what is coming from your mouth. You are saying that a person who did not have special education about the subject can know a religion that he is not following better than a person who is following it. How? By reading one or 2 random books about the subject? And one of them is a fictional book if you are counting Saldam Rusdi's book as one as he himself said it was fictional. You are being absurd. And sadly childish. I could not find time to look for the books I mentioned. Will write the names in a week, when I find time.
 
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anuts    RE:You can stop terrorism by fighting if you are fighting the right people.   1/27/2006 6:11:26 AM
"The terrorism is like a fire. You can not stop it by using the extenquisher randomly to anything that is on fire. You must first it against to stop the cause of fire." Ooooh...bad analogy for one to be using to illustrate your point. Because we are well aware that a very effective approach to 'extinguishing' large, seemingly out of control wildfires is something akin to this: Take into consideration of the pattern it will likely continue to grow and literally scorch the earth near the area. Carefully encircled the prospected area and burn everything in its path. If the controlled fires are able to go out before the wildfire spreads to this point, you will successfully prevent more spreading of wildfire any more beyond this controlled buffer. "That is why Afghanistan was the right place to fight. It was the main stronghold of Al-Queda and Al-Queda was supported by Taliban movement." Buffer zone number one...if you will. "If your objective is to stop terrorism, Iraq was not the right place. Yes Al-Queda had cells at Iraq, but they were not strong and was not supported by Saddam regime. (But Saddam regime was not going against them either.)" Iraq...buffer number two. "After Afghanistan, it was the Iran which was the greatest supporter of terrorism. And also some of the Saudis. They should be the primary targets. They are the sources of the fire. " How coincidental that this source is carefully and incrementally being surrounded by the proverbial buffers. Geography is neat, ain't it?
 
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