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Subject: you can NEVER stop terror by fighting
kane    11/12/2005 9:50:18 AM
you can NEVER stop terror by fighting.killing will not stop them it will make them more powerful. think if whole iraq becomes a are u gonna stop them. bush thinks he can stop them by fighting. as a citizen from a country(TURKEY) that fights aganist terror, i say that you can't stop it by fighting.we've been fighting aganist pkk for twent years.we killed too many but they are still growing.we must take to kurds to our side to stop PKK. BUSH should do the same to stop terror and the only thing he can do is to retreat.iraq won't forget this but terrorism will be slowed down.
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joe6pack    RE:Pars   12/22/2005 2:50:22 PM
"But 9/11 is not reason why you are at Iraq; it is the reason why you are in Afghanistan." Thats too narrow a view on things. 9/11 isn't the only terrorist act and islamic terrorism did not begin nor does it end in Afghanistan. 9/11 in my opinion is the point that America (at least a significant portion) had enough and decided to do something about it. The Middle East as a whole is a breading ground for terrorism. We've spent the last 50 some odd years accepting the status quo. That's been our biggest mistake.
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Pars    You can stop terrorism by fighting if you are fighting the right people.   12/22/2005 2:50:26 PM
The terrorism is like a fire. You can not stop it by using the extenquisher randomly to anything that is on fire. You must first it against to stop the cause of fire. That is why Afghanistan was the right place to fight. It was the main stronghold of Al-Queda and Al-Queda was supported by Taliban movement. If your objective is to stop terrorism, Iraq was not the right place. Yes Al-Queda had cells at Iraq, but they were not strong and was not supported by Saddam regime. (But Saddam regime was not going against them either.) After Afghanistan, it was the Iran which was the greatest supporter of terrorism. And also some of the Saudis. They should be the primary targets. They are the sources of the fire.
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kane    RE:can't stop by fighting   12/22/2005 3:46:46 PM
than why PKK terror is not finishing. Or should we kill all the kurds(a sadist idea to save Turkey) it never ends by fighting. or should we stop breeding of Kurds by some poisonus injections when they're in army. these are silly ideas but i believe we should send Kurds away.actually we can't do this but that would be good.
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Pars    RE:can't stop by fighting   12/22/2005 6:27:10 PM
Get serious. My grandfather was a Kurd. Our enemy is not PKK terorists. They are pawns like all terorists. Our enemies are the ones who support them. I say let's forgive all terorists who give up their weapons. Find the leaders (bishops and knights you might say), fight them, capture them and judge them. We do not have a death penalty anymore. So life time in prison is fine enough. But of course we will left with the ones who control the leaders. The Kings, the real puppeteers. The ones who created, and financed PKK. Other than Syria, we were unsuccessfull to stop any of them. That is our strategic weakness. We could not stop the source so, fire is still burning.
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:can't stop by fighting   12/22/2005 10:17:12 PM
I keep hearing about the cause a million times! Is it poverty that compels these fanatics on a killing rampage!Well,perhaps the multi millionaire OBL had a different agenda. We have abt 300 million people who cant make two square meals in a day! Even China for that matter of fact!The argument abt poverty and ignorance(wrt education) is clearly a FLAWED argument. The problem is Islam!Period.The buck stops right here! If you need to attack the cos then look at those clerics,or men of Allah,who preach hatred in those mosques. Koran-unless this isnt revamped nuthin really changes. As one reader pointed out that radical Islam was always existent.We've been 50 yrs late recognising the threat. Lets talk abt Hamas and the time when the Israeli forced were targetting those Hamas leaders.After three successful assasinations the Hamas org wudnt even publicly announce the name of their leader. You have to take the battle to the terrorists-there isnt any other way out! The rest of this BS that ignorance and poverty need to be tackled is all a load of crap.
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Schackleford    Examples of terrorism defeated by fighting   12/23/2005 6:07:54 AM
There are countless examples in recent history of terrorist groups being defeated because they were fought down with military, police and intelligence methods: FARC: The goal of making Colombia a Stalinist country is not going to happen. Instead the terrorist group has degenerated into a bunch of drug runners. IRA: The goal of making a unified Ireland into a Stalinist dictatorship is not going to happen. Both the Irish and the British remains commited to democracy and diplomacy. The IRA itself is now litlle more then a street gang, and has recently been disarmed. Al Quada: Once a world-wide network capable of conducting massive strikes killing hundreds or thousands at a time, Al Quada today is badly mauled by US military action. Their leadership is either dead or on the run(al-Zawahiri is sending pleas of help to Zarqawi, Mullah Omar is in hiding, Osama Bin Laden hasn't been heard from in a year (dead??)), they have no bases anywhere, and their rank and file has been decimated by fighting vastly superior adversaries, Their popularity has dropped drasticly among the very Muslim countries that they rely on for support. These examples show that you might not be able to defeat a terrorist group in the conventional military way, but a more broadly defined defeat is possible. Both FARC, IRA and Al Qauda still exist today, as mere shadows of their former selves. But aren't they, for the most part, defeated?
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Huh   1/18/2006 2:20:19 AM
Well Kane-how exactly do you propose to stop this terror?
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kane    RE:Huh   1/18/2006 6:50:44 PM
i mean the terror in southeast Turkey then.yes yes i mean the terror in southeast turkey:P 15 million kurds(i don't mean all the terrorists are kurd-they are also our people but it is a kurdish group) exist in Turkey's borders and killing their terrorist version does not stop them because everyday more Kurds go to the mountains and they return as normal civilian.They live with us.
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting   1/19/2006 1:37:45 AM
Oh yeah...I actually missed this in your original post.. "BUSH should do the same to stop terror and the only thing he can do is to retreat.iraq won't forget this but terrorism will be slowed down." --->Terror existed prior to the Iraq invasion.911,Israel,Tanzania,Spain,Nether lands and in India(from where I hail!).. I dont think it'll help defeat terrorism if Bush retreats.On the contrary-the recent statement from Zawahri showed him gloating over the fact that the US was reducing its troops... It'll strengthen them and definitely send wrong signals! The Mujahideen thought they were invincible after the 79-89 war and this has led to a lot of problems for this world. Do we want to show weakness by doing exactly what these Islamic terrorists want! Sorry Dude-the best way to fight Islamic terror is by taking the battle to their camp on their ground! Just reading into your last statement -"iraq won't forget this but terrorism will be slowed down." is ambiguous and uncertain to say the least.Terrorism slowing down as in fewer people dying every year to terror?!?!?!?!?!? I dont concur! I do wish that most Islamic countries would emulate the example set forth by the Turkish in promoting an Islam far far away from the Barbarism called Sharia!
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kane    RE:you can NEVER stop terror by fighting IN TURKEY   1/19/2006 4:58:03 AM
in the beginning i wrote for all world but now i changed it.I mostly believe you,you had enough proofs but the terror in Turkey is different. and those Terrorists are not real muslims.In islam killing someone is the worst thing but they think they are doing the right thing(but they're not) Don't think them as islamic terrorists.Think them as psycho anti-americans and freedom fighters for iraq.
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