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Subject: A missed opportunity?
leoinnyc    12/31/2004 12:59:58 PM
Reposted from WaPo: US President George W. Bush has missed an important opportunity to reach out to the Muslims of Indonesia. The Bush administration at first pledged a paltry $15 million, a mysteriously chintzy response to what was obviously an enormous calamity. Bush himself remained on vacation, and now has reluctantly agreed to a meeting of the National Security Council by video conference. If Bush were a statesman, he would have flown to Jakarta and announced his solidarity with the Muslims of Indonesia (which has suffered at least 40,000 dead and rising). Indeed, the worst-hit area of Indonesia is Aceh, the center of a Muslim separatist movement, and a gesture to Aceh from the US at this moment might have meant a lot in US-Muslim public relations. Bin Laden and Zawahiri sniffed around Aceh in hopes of recruiting operatives there, being experts in fishing in troubled waters. Doesn't the US want to outflank al-Qaeda? As it is, the president of the United States is invisible and on vacation (unlike several European heads of state), and could think of nothing better to do than announce a paltry pledge. As Harris and Wright rightly say, the rest of the world treated the US much better than this after September 11. And here, for the sake of comparison: Number of deaths due to four Florida hurricanes in 2004: 117 Number of deaths due to Aceh earthquake and tsunami in 2004: 120,000+ Homeless due to Florida hurricanes: 11,000 Homeless due to Aceh earthquake/tsunami: 5,000,000 US government aid to help Florida hurricane victims: $2.04 billion US government aid to help Aceh earthquake/tsunami victims: $35 million Estimated cost of George Bush's upcoming inaguration celebration, not including security costs: $40 million US government direct cost, per hour, of the US war in Iraq: $9 million Spain per capita government contribution to help earthquake/tsunami victims: $2.30 Norway per capita government contribution to help earthquake/tsunami victims: $1.80 Australia per capita government contribution to help earthquake/tsunami victims: $1.30 UK per capita government contribution to help earthquake/tsunami victims: $0.48 France per capita government contribution to help earthquake/tsunami victims: $0.50 US per capita government contribution to help earthquake/tsunami victims: $0.12 Jackie Chan's personal contribution to help earthquake/tsunami victims: $200,000 Chan ratio of US government contribution (ratio of per capita US government donations to Jackie Chan's individual donation): 1/1,666,667, or 0.0000006
 
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American Kafir    A missed clue for Leo   12/31/2004 1:53:44 PM
---snipped from US board--- Are right-wingers the scum of the earth? Yes, we are. As a group that embraces the stingy and evil United States of America and works to make it prosper, how could you not think right-wingers were scum? I mean, every single time a left-winger and a right-winger debate something, the left-winger is trounced by facts. Take the recent tsunami disaster in Southeast Asia, for example. The call for economic assistance went out and the United States government ponied up $35 million dollars. The American Red Cross has raised another $28 million in donations. The US Fund for UNICEF has collected $12 million dollars. Those religious whackos and Jesus freaks that probably voted for Bush at Catholic Relief Services have raised $3 million. Other fundamentalist Christian and Jewish organizations have also raised $3 million. And don't get me started on those evil corporations. Coca-Cola has donated $10 million. Pepsi-Cola has donated $1 million. Then there's the greedy prescription drug companies. Pfizer has donated $10 million cash and $25 million in medicine. Merck has donated $3 million. Johnson & Johnson has chipped in $2 million. Abbott has donated another $2 million. Bristol-Myers has donated $1 million plus $4 million in medical supplies. That evil credit card company Citigroup, Inc. dropped $3 miilion dollars into the relief effort. American Express gave $1 million. Nike shoes gave $1 million. General Electric donated $1 million. The despicable oil company Exxon-Mobil donated $5 million. First Data gave $1 million. That rat bastard Bill Gates donated $3 million of his Microsoft fortunes. Not to mention those churches in St. Louis, Missouri that have alone raised $500,000... which is $300,000 more than the entire morally superior nation of France. What are those ignorant red state Jesus-landers trying to prove? You see, if you were an America-hating, anti-religious, anti-capitalist member of the collective disease known as leftism, and you were trying to argue that America is "stingy" or even that Bush's privatization and "faith-based" initiatives can never out-perform government seizure and redistribution of resources, a right-winger can whip out the above list of $116 miilion dollars raised in less than a week by private donations on top of the $35 million pledged by the government, and, without remorse, tell the leftist that he's nothing but a blithering idiot. And as long as the Democratic Party continues to ingratiate itself to blithering idiot leftists (sorry for the redundancy), by attacking the very people who make such donations as listed above, the Democratic Party will continue to lose elections. Not that we scum of the earth mind that so much. ------ American individuals and volunteer organizations, religious groups, and as well the private corporate sector have all come forward with direct aid. Many of the corporate donors have exceeded their tax-exempt giving, voluntarily. Leo, without remorse, I must inform you of something you're inherently incapable of realizing. You're a blithering idiot.
 
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leoinnyc    RE:A missed clue for Leo   12/31/2004 2:56:01 PM
huh. That's funny. I didn't say a word about right wingers, corporations of any kind, scum, democrats, or anything except to suggest that, 1) Bush might have picked up a few points in the WOT by doing more, and, 2) that US government (not private organizations) giving might have been higher. I am such an *sshole. A blithering idiot, as you say. F*ck me!
 
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appleciderus    Leo   12/31/2004 3:14:55 PM
Everything you said was erroneous. Some might think on purpose.
 
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American Kafir    RE:A missed clue for Leo   12/31/2004 3:15:33 PM
>>huh. That's funny. I didn't say a word about right wingers, corporations of any kind, scum, democrats, or anything except to suggest that, 1) Bush might have picked up a few points in the WOT by doing more, and, 2) that US government (not private organizations) giving might have been higher. I am such an *sshole. A blithering idiot, as you say. F*ck me<< No thanks, I'm taken. While I appreciate that you understand that you're a blithering idiot, I can sense that you're still far too clueless to understand why. The primary source of funding international relief efforts for the tsunami disaster is individual American people, operating and responding far faster than the government bureaucracy could. Now, any reasonable sort of fellow, at least of the intellectual caliber God gave a can of pork and beans, would read that Washington Post editorial you cut and pasted here and cringe at the thought of making public any hint that it was posted as a viewpoint subscribed to by the poster, out of fear of being identified as, yes, a blithering idiot. You see, the people being helped in this disaster are being helped, directly and rapidly, by the people Al Qaeda wants to kill indiscriminately. The opportunity you think is "missed" is the reality you don't even seem to have the slightest idea about. And now, with the utter annihilation of your Bush-bashing liberal media coprophagic session fully drawn out for what it is, you've been given a ticket to recovering from the leftist addiction to utter stupidity. Take it. Merry Christmas.
 
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bsl    RE:A missed clue for Leo   1/1/2005 2:59:51 PM
If someone had a serious question about response to the tsunami, then a fruitful question would be how the response of the first couple of days resembled to responses of previous Administrations to previous international disasters. As it turns out, the small initial response was typical. And, not just for the US. This is the way it works in most of the world. A small initial committment, pending detailed information and contact and coordination with the governments of the effected areas, at which time larger committments are made. This information is trivially easy to verify. And, so, when someone jumps up, in face of a genuine mass tragedy, and seems to want to make the disaster an excuse to push a political argument, some are offended and snap right back.
 
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Kanadees    RE:A missed opportunity?   1/1/2005 10:52:03 PM
How many Muslim countries have donated any meaningful aid to their 'brothers'?
 
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American Kafir    RE:A missed clue for Leo - bsl   1/2/2005 2:05:50 AM
>>And, so, when someone jumps up, in face of a genuine mass tragedy, and seems to want to make the disaster an excuse to push a political argument, some are offended and snap right back<< I disagree with bsl (sound the alarm!). Given that "making disasters an excuse to push a political argument" has been a modus operandi of the left since well before Hitler and his fellow lefty national socialists burned down the Reichstag, I'd have to characterize my response as "not snapping back." The left simply needs to come up with better material.
 
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leoinnyc    RE:A missed clue for Leo - bsl   1/2/2005 5:46:30 PM
Yeah. BSL is wrong. Given that the right has been indifferent to human suffering and incapable of quality foreign policy since well before Hitler and his fellow antiliberal fascists burned down the Reichstag, I'd have to characterize my post as more of a rhetorical question. The right simply needs to come to terms with it's role as Satan's army..
 
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Free Palestine    RE:A missed clue for Leo - bsl   1/2/2005 6:22:31 PM
why does american kafir call hitler a lefty? don't get it.
 
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bsl    RE: clueless for Leo    1/2/2005 8:31:26 PM
lol Trying to link American conservatives with Hitler? I can't stop laughing long enough to be offended.....
 
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