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Subject: What to think of this?
FJV    7/25/2004 3:17:43 PM
Spain which has pulled out of Iraq recommits troops elsewhere in the war on terror. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/02/spain.afghan.troops/ Not sure what to think of this. The terrorists are winning political victories that don't turn into military victories, the US is winning military victories that don't turn into political victories. Or should I coun't Spain recommitting troops to a front in the war on terror and German statements as small political victories?
 
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On Watch    RE:What to think of this? -- Not Much at all!   7/25/2004 11:01:55 PM
I could care less what kind of 'day late & dollar short' aid the Spainards are pandering! This, lame proposal to send troops to Afghanistan is an attempt to 'save face' for their disgraceful behavior in Iraq! Spain has proven, as have the Phillippines & the French, that they are not dependable allies! As such they deserve nothing but scorn! Unless & Until the *Spanish Battalion* is sent back in to Iraq to recoup the honor that was stolen from them by socialist politicos. On Watch -- Let's Roll
 
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On Watch    RE:What to think of this? In contrast!   7/25/2004 11:32:49 PM
Australia defiant on terror threat (CNN) -- Australia will not give in to threats of attack made by a group claiming to be the European wing of al Qaeda, but is taking the warning seriously, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said Sunday. Australia and Italy received terror warnings through a statement, purportedly from militants linked to al Qaeda, that demanded those countries withdraw troops from Iraq. . . . Downer said the Spanish troop withdrawal and the Philippines decision to pull out troops to save the life of a Filipino hostage had encouraged terrorists to continue threats. "So now we are subjected, as the Italians are, and the Poles and the Bulgarians, from this particular group, to further threats," he said. "It is very important we send a strong message that we will not be threatened by terrorist groups. Terrorist groups will not determine the policy of the Australian government or the Australian people." Downer said the Philippines decision had also fuelled the taking of hostages. On Watch - Hand Salute!
 
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American Kafir    RE:What to think of this? -- Not Much at all!   7/26/2004 3:37:28 AM
In the majority of kidnappings that have taken place, the practicing Muslims (Quran 47:4) have threatened to behead their hostages and send "lines of car bombs" until the hostages' nations-of-origin submit. If the hostage is Jewish (Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg) it doesn't matter what his nationality is, they'll kill him anyway. But these countries that have surrendered to terrorist demands can not possibly feel guaranteed that one of those promised "lines of car bombs" won't unwittingly kill one of their citizens anyway. The point is, the faithful Muslim terrorists DON'T CARE WHO THEY KILL. The question is, do these countries being targeted care?
 
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Vapid    Morale In Afghan May Go Up!!!   7/26/2004 10:33:27 AM
Guys, When I was over there...there was this lovely spanish girl that was part of a C-130 crew. If she goes...the morale will defiantely rise. Vapid
 
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sentinel28a    RE:Morale In Afghan May Go Up!!!   7/26/2004 12:06:18 PM
Along with other things, I imagine. If Spain wants to commit troops to Afghanistan instead of Iraq, I commend them. Spanish troops can take the place of Americans who can be redeployed, or move out of Kabul into places they're needed. It remains to be seen if Spain will hold the line when (not if) one of their aid workers or soldiers gets kidnapped in Afghanistan--and it can be almost guaranteed that such a thing will happen, as it has shown itself to be effective. Give a mouse a cookie, and the little sucker will want milk.
 
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On Watch    Spanish Dreams & French Nightmares   7/27/2004 4:55:21 AM
>>...I commend them. Spanish troops can take the place of Americans -- Sen Sen<< Like Hell they can! And, if I'm out on the line, and hear Spainiards are going to replace the Yanks on my Flanks, my morale is definately not going up! The Spaniards deserve no commendation for this political hot air! If they want to send Medical help to the Afghanis let them do it, and shut the hell up about it! Next! What is playing out with this Spanish gambit is the socialist claptrap that argues: we, the US WOT, should have just stayed in Afghanistan and chased Bin laddie around the boondocks for the last 3 years! I'd advise the Spainards, French, and the Filipinos, to stay the fluck out of our way, and look to their own moats before the Islamofascists are over the walls and into their bedchambers - if they aren't already! On Watch - Let's Roll
 
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Tercio    RE:Morale In Afghan May Go Up!!!, sentinel28a   7/29/2004 5:26:47 AM
"Along with other things, I imagine. If Spain wants to commit troops to Afghanistan instead of Iraq, I commend them. Spanish troops can take the place of Americans who can be redeployed, or move out of Kabul into places they're needed. It remains to be seen if Spain will hold the line when (not if) one of their aid workers or soldiers gets kidnapped in Afghanistan--and it can be almost guaranteed that such a thing will happen, as it has shown itself to be effective. Give a mouse a cookie, and the little sucker will want milk." The situation is different to the one in Iraq. No political party in Spain is promoting to pull-out the troops of Afghanistan hence nobody could get political advantage of it. Furthermore, there are no elections in the short term which could lead to a re-edition of the aftermath of 3/11. Let alone the fact a second withdraw would drive Zapatero to be a pariah in the International affairs scene. As always, just my two cents. Tercio
 
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metallifan666    RE:Morale In Afghan May Go Up!!!, sentinel28a   7/31/2004 5:13:15 PM
tercio, i think you´re very wrong about what happened before and after madrid bombings in Spain.People in Spain were against war on Iraq,only the former government was pro-war, all the parties of the opposition agreed to pull out troops in case of winning elections (with no kind of pressure and a long time before madrid bombings). when bombings happened, former government manipulated and thanks god these days internet exists and people could know who actually made this massacre becuse mass media networks were controlled by the former government. MAYBE IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES DON´T KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN SPAIN, THE CENTER OF SPAIN AND ITS GOVERNORS ARE VERY OBSESSED WITH BASQUE PROBLEM ( ETA AND ANY SEPARATIST IDEA AS CATALONIA, GALICIA, ANDALUSIA AND GENERALLY THE IDEA OF FEDERALISM, ALTHOUGH IT IS ONLY POLITICAL AND WITHOUT ANY KIND OF VIOLENCE),THE FORMER GOVERNMENT AND AZNAR(NEVER SOMEBODY SO LIMITED WAS PRIME MINISTER)BLAMED ETA AND PEOPLE STARTED TO ASK WHO HAD BEEN THE GUILTY, AND THE PRESSURE OF THE PEOPLE CHANGED INFORMATIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT, SO WHEN THE DAY OF ELECTIONS ARRIVED, CITIZENSHIP REACTED ANGRILY AT THE FORMER GOVERNMENT, IT REACHED 80% PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ( IN SPAIN THE BIGGEST PARTICIPATION), THE POLITICAL OPPOSITION WON THE ELECTIONS ( IN ITS POLITICAL PROGRAMME THE PULLING-OUT WAS ALREADY), SO THERE WAS NO KIND OF BLACKMAIL, OR FEAR OF NEW BOMBINGS, PLAINLY PEOPLE WAR DISAGREE WITH WAR, AND 194 INNOCENT PEOPLE WERE KILLED FOR A CAUSE WHO DIDN´T SHARE SPANIARDS. OUR TROOPS WERE KILLED IN COMBAT IN BOSNIA, OTHER DIED IN PLANE CRASH IN TURKEY WHEN THEY CAME BACK SPAIN (AFTER SERVING IN AFGHANISTAN), AND PEOPLE DIDN´T DEMONSTRATE. WE, SPANIARDS, WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE AND ONLY MAKE WAR WHEN WE HAVE TO, ALWAYS FOR A FAIR CAUSE. SO IT´S BETTER BEING
 
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On Watch    Spanish nightmare   7/31/2004 6:14:41 PM
>>WHEN THE DAY OF ELECTIONS ARRIVED, CITIZENSHIP REACTED ANGRILY AT THE FORMER GOVERNMENT, IT REACHED 80% PUBLIC PARTICIPATION --'666<< Thanks for the edfication '666! Real good to know that it was the overwhelming majority of Spainards who were the COWARDS, and not just the Socialist govt.! What a sad history and sickening future Spain embodies! No wonder the Basques don't want to be part of it! When the Caliphate is restored in Spain, maybe Spainards can petition the Pope for miracles. On Watch
 
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PuckaMan    Remember -   8/1/2004 6:09:36 AM
Spain and the Phillipines have been canned for pulling their troops out of Iraq, and a lot has to do with the timing. The Phillipines only had less than a hundred non-essential personnel, and President Arroyo would have been capped politically, and since the Phillipines isn't the most stable of countries, this would be a problem. Spain, on the other hand pulled out not becausse of the Madrid atrocity, but the then Socialist opposition had a strong election platform of withdrawal from Iraq - Spain going was a given with or without Madrid - the timing was just unfortunate/perfect, depending on your POV. Also remember that terrorism and the war on terror and other associated maxims are as much about presentation as they are about actually doing something - the whole stink would have been avioded if the Spanish pullout was presented in a different way, e.g the actual truth - the Iraq awar was very unpopular in Spain, there was an upcoming election, and all polls pointed toward a Socialist victory, who would pull Spain out of Iraq. Madrid, whether the timing was intentional regarding this or not, just served to exacerbate the already decided election. Pucka
 
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