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Subject: we let them get away agian
tank    3/28/2004 8:10:10 PM
on the afgan-pakistan border the fighting seems to have come to an end,and once again it seems almost all of al-queda have escaped. I know most of the americans on here are conservatives including myself,but you have to start to question this administration on how they are conduting operations tora bora and know this fiasco is pakistan harboring terrorist yes,that means we should have went in there and did the job ourselves.I can tell you one thing if this continues we will begin to start losing this war,and the future does not look good.IT'S time we have some balls and take care of these targets ourselves.
 
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On Watch    RE:we let them get away again   3/28/2004 11:09:52 PM
"we should have went in there and did the job ourselves... "we will begin to start losing this war,and the future does not look good. IT'S time "we have some "balls" and take care of these targets ourselves" tank<< As a salty Navy Chief once said to a dumb green recruit, "We"? -- you got a turd in your pocket sailor! Suggest you read the SP daily briefings and CentCom's 'Order of Battle' viz TF-121 before you start questioning "balls" along the Pak/Afgan border! From SP - 28 March... The army believes it has al Qaeda leader Tahir Yuldash (head of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan) wounded and scrambling to escape an army sweep along the Afghan border. It's hundreds of Tahir Yuldash's armed followers who were besieged in South Waziristan. The Pakistanis thought they had a higher ranking al Qaeda official, but Tahir Yuldash is a pretty big fish. Chewing up his core group of followers is another heavy blow to al Qaeda's Central Asian operations. In late 2001, during the Afghanistan campaign, several senior Central Asian al Qaeda leaders were killed, along with hundreds of trained followers. Tahir Yuldash is one of several al Qaeda leaders who are hiding in Pakistan, along the Afghan border. Each of these men, surrounded by several hundred heavily armed foreigners and Pakistani gunmen, use a combination of cash and appeals for Islamic unity to obtain cooperation from local tribes. But the pressure from the army is making the tribes less willing to get caught in the middle of this war. Moreover, most of the hard core al Qaeda are foreigners, and many of them don't get along well with the locals. Arabs, in particular, tend to be contemptuous of the tribesmen. The feelings are soon reciprocated. http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/qndguide/default.asp?target=INDIA.HTM
 
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friend2all    RE:we let them get away again   3/28/2004 11:27:39 PM
Politically, we can't go into Pakistan militarily. We can only "encourage and advise" them.
 
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tank    RE:we let them get away again   3/28/2004 11:31:12 PM
Mighty pakistan telling the united states how its going to be.THIS is partly my point,to (on wacth) we will see if they actually find him,i doubt it there intelligence was already flawed with who they thought was there to begin with.
 
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Maverick    RE:we let them get away again   3/28/2004 11:52:42 PM
[Politically, we can't go into Pakistan militarily. We can only "encourage and advise" them]~ friend2all. Did the U.S. "politically" take down Saddam Hussien... I don't believe the "US" talked peacefully with Saddam. The "US" went in and kicked Saddam Hussien out. Why not go into Pakistan and do the job right... plus if everyone in other countries hate the "US" why would Pakistan be as they say. Kinda like Saddam saying the U.N. inspectors can come in and then not letting them do what they were supposed to do.
 
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friend2all    RE:we let them get away again   3/29/2004 1:30:31 AM
Pakistan has nukes and many other factors about it which make it much less likely for an agreeable outcome than Iraq.
 
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friend2all    RE:we let them get away again   3/29/2004 1:32:43 AM
...also, the political leadership is the most friendly major element in Pakistan. We need Musharaf to stay in charge.
 
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On Watch    RE:we let them get away again--nonsense!   3/29/2004 6:47:09 AM
>>Mighty pakistan telling the united states how its going to be.THIS is partly my point,to (on wacth) we will see if they actually find him,i doubt it there intelligence was already flawed with who they thought was there to begin with--tank<< Who's telling Who, what? Obvious to even the Pak Tribes, that Gen M and Prez B are on the warpath in the "tribal lands. Now classic tactics of US war planners - as we saw in Afghanistan/Iraq - use the locals(in this case PakMilFors & Tribal elements to root-out the entrenched foreignors. Then 'pick-em off' once they're flushed from cover. BTW, "find him" is not the Ops objective, "find and roust them" from their holes is the objective. Once Again from Strategy Page today -- INDIA-PAKISTAN: Tribes Turn on al Qaeda March 29, 2004; In Pakistan, a some 62 percent of the 162 people arrested in the recent campaign along the Afghan border, were foreigners. These people are thought to be al Qaeda members, as there are rarely many foreigners in the tribal areas. The tribes have historically been quite hostile to foreigners. The Pakistani government has convinced thousands of tribesmen to help them track up to 500 armed foreigners (al Qaeda) hiding in the hills along hundreds of kilometers of the Afghan border. Some Americans have been seen with the Pakistani troops, and tribesmen. These are apparently CIA or Special Forces personnel, and there to supply intelligence information (from satellites and UAVs overhead) and cash to encourage the cooperation of the tribes. Efforts to persuade the tribes to turn against the Taliban and al Qaeda have generally worked, with six of the seven tribal confederations in the region agreeing to work with the government. http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/qndguide/default.asp?target=INDIA.HTM
 
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tank    RE:we let them get away again--notnonsense!   3/29/2004 11:37:41 AM
ON WACTH TURN YOUR BRAIN TO ON READ,both on your articles you gave me even say in them most of al-queda escaped.read the whole article.ITS SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE DOWN THERE ROUNDING UP SOME TRIBESMAN THOUGH.
 
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SGTObvious    It serves our purposes   3/29/2004 12:42:39 PM
We have made Pakistanis enemies of Pakistanis. Militarily, the Rangers could have done better. But emotionally, where the war will be won, to have Pakistani soldiers shoot Pakistani islamicists, like they say on the mastercard commercials, priceless. .
 
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On Watch    RE:we let them get away again--nonsense!!   3/29/2004 4:45:32 PM
What part of this don't you comprehend 'tank'? Efforts to persuade the tribes to turn against the Taliban and al Qaeda have generally worked, with six of the seven tribal confederations in the region agreeing to work with the government. "We" let them go again--"we" should have went in there--IT'S time "we" have some "balls"--"we" will begin to start losing this war... Your "we we we we"ing all the way home sounds like NONSENSE to me tankster! Why in the hell would we want to invade and incite the Paki & Islamist masses in theater, when the Pak Military is doing exactly what we want them to do? Why would the US Admin be so freakin DUMB as to stir up a hornets nest when we're getting the honey gift-wrapped! How many casualties in Pakistan, just before the election, could we sustain and still keep the Republicans in the drivers seat? Get a clue, we have alQueada on the run, and that's when we fill our game bag!
 
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