"It is amazing, though, that in this ruckus no one has asked the relevant question of how mention of ‘jihad’ is compatible with the biology syllabus? How, and why, did these verses find their way into the biology textbook?" My thoughts exactly.

I find that terrorists are very fast learners, when you put a .9mm to their temple and explain the 'truth' to them. Although JDAMs and Hellfires also have the desired effect. However - to address at least in part, the thread as it started: Education is absolutely imperative. Unfortunately at the moment the madrassas are still packed and new ones open every so often. When you have people glorifying meatbombers, calling them "martyrs" (BTW according to the Cambridge Dictionary, a martyr is "a person who suffers greatly or is killed because of their political or religious beliefs, and is often admired because of it" Please note that suicide because of extremist ideology is not mentioned there at all. So, we have all these kids in the middle east, the far east, etc. they are being taught that "martyrdom" is the sure way to get the 72 figs/nuts/dates/virgins and it's the ONLY sure way to get to "paradise". so naturally it's very attractive to them. If we could change their educational system to teach them the truth that would certainly help! I'd like to start by explaining how the pedophile prophet started his false moon-god worshiping, pretend religion by taking some good from Judaism and from Christianity - then adding all his own lies and bile. Yeah, that would be a good start. probably won't get a lot of play in those countries where truth is so desperately needed. E.

I'd like to start by explaining how the pedophile prophet started his false moon-god worshiping, pretend religion by taking some good from Judaism and from Christianity - then adding all his own lies and bile. Yeah, that would be a good start. probably won't get a lot of play in those countries where truth is so desperately needed. E. ........................................ Unfortunatly that wouldn't be right: it would be government encouraged prosyletizing: like Charlemagne's "missionary efforts" in Saxony-"do you repent your sins" "well er..."(chop!). "Now do you repent your sins" Islam does have some bad traits to it. And no I don't think it a "a religion of peace"(though being warlike is not the greatest sin in the world, otherwise everyone here might be in big trouble). It also has good traits to it-almost every religion does(no, I do not hold to the "different paths to truth" concept; but a religion is a system of ideas not a single one). And it is the basis of peoples lifes in that reigion. What should be removed is the obviously odious parts of their education-spreading evil rumors about Jews as fact, etc. The fact that they are taught Islam per se, is a religious question not a political one, and missionaries should be from the church not the state. I for one would rather buy a used car from an honest Moslem than a dishonest Christian.

"I'd like to start by explaining how the pedophile prophet started his false moon-god worshiping, pretend religion by taking some good from Judaism and from Christianity - then adding all his own lies and bile. " I always wonder at the ignorance of the people who talks nonsense when they do not know anything about a subject. And by that I like to ask Mr. Elbandeedo that where did he get his wisdom about moon-god worshipping. I suspect he got it from a Fantasy Role Playing Game book or from an ancient mythology book. I like to remind him these are just fantasy.

link: http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/aditichaturvedi/vpopia1.html That's just a start. There are hundreds more where that came from. try "allah moon-god", try "vedic moon-god", as far as the claim of pedophilia, mohammed was purportedly chastised by allah for "taking" a child-bride of 10 years of age. That's extraordinarily young, even given cultural differences and the early "marriages" that were prevalent in those days. (12 was considered matrimony age - but the actual physical relationship was not permitted until some years later.) E.

I prefer if you show respect to my religion as I show respect to yours. You might believe that my religion based on wrong ideals. That is natural as you believe in a different religion. But showing respect to others' belief is one of the most important aspects of modern life. I found the link you have put very interesting. I had no chance before to examine Vedic history and religions. That is something I like to change in the future. I have briefly examine other articles of the writer and I have found him highly anti-Pakistan, so some his own reasonings are in suspect. Therefore I am planning to examine his sources. Fortunately he gave his resources in his article. With luck I can find at least some of them in Amazon.com

Good deal. Too many islamic "scholars" refuse to include any research on history. Many Christian "scholars" do that same. Someone who is truly interested in learning will do the research. I'm glad to see you are searching. Anything further on this can be taken to the "Eternal Wars" board, if you like. Cheers, E.

There are and were Islamic scholars at least in Turkey who are willing to discuss anything about religion. But I believe in many Arab state it can be a dangereous think to do. Ok. I have read the entire 8 parts of what the writer Aditi Chaturvedi wrote about the subject. Even with my limited knowledge and research I have found too many wrongs in his articles. Let me go over the most obvious ones. It is true that believing in Hindu Gods was common in pre-Islam Arabistan. It is also true that Arabs referred to moon-god as Allah of moon as Allah means the God in Arabic. In fact they referred every God as Allah; like you referred Thor as God of thunder. The word's open form is Al-Illah. Al means the; Illah means God. In first muslim flags there is no Crescent symbol. Some Western historians thinks that, Muslim states took the symbol of crescent from Byzantine flags as Byzantium used the symbol at the time in its flags. It is not known which God was the family God of Hz. Mohammed's family before Islam as noone recorded it. But there is no mystical connection to moon in Islam. At the time of 7th Century Arabistan used the moon calendar (more easy to calculate then a sun calendar), all referrings to moon in Islam is about dates. Medina was an unimportant small town at pre-Islam times and Hicaz area was never referred as Mekke-Medina in ancient times. So the searching the meaning of Makha-Medini is a forced assumption. "It is well known that over 7500 years ago, at the time of the Mahabharat War, Kurus ruled the world." Mahabrahat war is an Hindu epic not a fact. Even if it had happened estimated dates differ from 5561 B.C. to 1478 B.C. and there is no part in the epic that says Arabia was involved. "According to Arab traditions, Muhammad is a title. We do not know what name his parents had given him." The name of Hz. Muhammed is known it is Ahmet Muhammed Mustafa. "Because the Vedic custom was to pray facing the East, in his hatred for all things Hindu, he directed his followers to pray facing only the west." This sentence betrayed that writer knows nothing much about Islam. It is a very common knowledge that Muslims pray facing Kabaa (Mecca). The Muslims of India and Pakistan faces west while praying as this is the way to Mecca. The Muslims in USA faces east and Muslims in Turkey faces south. After examining connections between Hinduism and pre-Islam Arabia, the writer suddenly enters to write a fictional history book. He gives some dialogues about which he has no historical references. He told totaly fantasy stories. In fact all these lines full of hatred about anything that is related to Islam. He continously gave references contradicting what he is writing. Let me give you two examples about his references that is contradicting what he is writing. The information about the books came from Amazon.com "The Life & times of Muhammad" by Sir John Glubb The brilliant thing about this book is that it merges and yet distinguishes among the different sources of information we have about Mohammed's life. Thus, information from the Quran is very accurate, since it was written contemporaneously. The various biographies, histories and oral traditions are questionable because they were written down 100-200 or more years after Mohammed's death. This is very significant today, because the Quran makes it clear that Mohammed got along well with Jews and Christians, and even honored them for their devotion to the Scriptures. By contrast, the Islamic terrorists make their erroneous claims by referring to histories and traditions that were written down centuries after Mohammed's death, and reflect the writer's views rather than Mohammed's views. Glubb's book weaves all of these sources of information into a fascinating narration of Mohammed's life, but at the same time he indicates the source and validity of the various stories, especially the sensitive ones. That's what makes this book valuable today, since readers can read it and understand why the real infidels are the Muslims who call for jihads against Jews and Christians. "Mohammed" by Anne Carter Book Description A definitive and fascinating introduction to the life, ideas, and impact of the founder of Islam. Maxime Robinson's Muhammad has long been regarded as one of the touchstones of scholarship on the founder of Islam. Thirty years after first being published in English, it remains the definitive introduction to the Prophet's life. Drawing on wide-ranging scholarship and imaginative insight into the Prophet's personality, family, background, and wider society, Rodinson's Muhammad offers a vivid account of how he spread the word of Islam, created a sect and state, and defeated his enemies, establishing the first great Muslim military power—a power which was soon to control territory stretching all the way from the Pyrenees to the borders of China. For anyone who wants to understand the historical roots of one of the wor

"It is amazing, though, that in this ruckus no one has asked the relevant question of how mention of ‘jihad’ is compatible with the biology syllabus? How, and why, did these verses find their way into the biology textbook?" Perhaps they view the immune response as a bodily Jihad against the infidel micro-organisms? Just being Devil's advocate for a moment. Literally.

AKA: Glubb Pasha, commander of the Jordanian Arab Legion in 1948. CONNECTED, CL.