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Subject: Don't be surprised...! Cause' this doesn't look good!
Panther    3/14/2004 3:24:22 PM
Spain, trusting current reports... is about to pull out of the coalition in iraq! with a big socialist win being reported in their elections. Well... my american compadres' don't be surprised, when the spanish fury is systematically turned against us by the state. Why! Because we (supposively) LIED, and we're (Supposively) EVIL, and we're ultimately responsible for everything under the sun! To sum it up... They were tried & they proved weak! When EVIL showed it's head in madrid about 4 days ago, GOOD was taking a holiday! Farewell Spain, A very beautiful place, that's about to turn very ugly in a very short time! MY GOD, i hope i'm wrong about all of this!
 
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Elbandeedo    RE:One, by one they all fall down. - Panther   4/1/2004 6:55:45 AM
Panther, while I agree not all of us can reply to a troll as if using Instant Messenger of some sort - most of us are just plain tired of their doggerel and continuous denial of the facts. I, for one, am sick to death of these morons who come here vomiting up the same, tired lies, then dodging the facts as they come flying at them, refusing to answer them. I'm not a great debater. i've been on SP boards since 9/11; and I'm learning a lot from some of the regulars. But I'm afraid my patience is out when it comes to this latest batch of trolls. Keep up the good fight, keep refuting his ignorance Panther - you're on it, doggone it! E.
 
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Panther    Elbandeedo   4/1/2004 10:41:57 AM
Thank you! I've been coming here to SP since the beginning of the last week of major combat operations in iraq. The 1st of april. I as well, don't consider myself a great debater. I can handle the fact that there are people in this world that hate my country, but, to accept ignorance as fact in regards to the history of America is more than i can bare. The world believes in stupid, ugly americans. With no knowledge of history and the working's of the world. Until they come here, Unaware of the cultural shock that is waiting for them! Regards, Panther!!
 
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FJV    The hard learning has begun:   4/3/2004 11:11:44 AM
Like I posted before in this thread: "A change of government and a withdrawal of forces from Iraq will be seen by terrorists as a sign of weakness. Just like the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon and the peace offers were seen by the terrorists as signs of weakness and succes of terror. This percieved weakness will increase the number of terror attacks against Spain. Which means Spain will have to learn the hard way about giving in to terror. It will be an (unfortunate) lesson for some to see a leftist governed country as a target of terror attacks." Spain already has announced it will withdraw from Iraq. And see what happened just a few days ago: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/04/03/spain.bombings/index.html "MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- Explosives discovered on Spain's high-speed rail tracks between Madrid and Seville were the same type and brand as those used in last month's terror attacks on Madrid's rail network, Spain's interior minister says."
 
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NewGuy    RE:The hard learning has begun:   4/3/2004 11:24:06 AM
"Spain already has announced it will withdraw from Iraq. And see what happened just a few days ago: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/04/03/spain.bombings/index.html "MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- Explosives discovered on Spain's high-speed rail tracks between Madrid and Seville were the same type and brand as those used in last month's terror attacks on Madrid's rail network, Spain's interior minister says."" I agree 100% FJV...even if Spains submission to the wishes of the terror thugs gives it a temporary respite (which the new bomb found suggests may not even be the case), other nations will now pay the price of Spains lack of foresight on this matter. The gruesome murders & display of the 4 US civilian security personell in Iraq are a related example: those who perpertated this crime no doubt recall the Clinton adminstration's reaction to the similar scenes in Mogadishu, Somalia...i.e. pull our troops out. I'm hopefull the Bush administration's actions will make these guys fully aware that this is not going to happen in Iraq. NewGuy
 
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Green Dragon    RE:The hard learning has begun:   4/11/2004 8:22:34 AM
Terror only works if you are willing to believe in it..
 
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Rubicon    RE:The hard learning has begun GD:   4/12/2004 12:41:28 PM
No. Terror only works, if you submit and retreat before it. Not believeing and denying if terrorist exist will not exempt you from terrorist attacks.
 
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Green Dragon    RE:The hard learning has begun GD:   4/12/2004 8:36:16 PM
Denial IS submission, ask any reformed alcoholic. I didn't deny that terrorism exists, I denied its validity..
 
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Elbandeedo    RE:The hard learning has begun GD:   4/13/2004 6:29:12 AM
and in denying it's validity, you attack and destroy, and fight it any way you can, relentlessly, unquestioningly, until it finally sinks into their thick skulls that the only thing an act of terror will bring them is a quick and inglorious death, or a long life as "Bubbas" cell-mate. ahhh decisions, decisions... E.
 
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Panther    Three years on... and they still are not appeased   3/19/2007 9:54:27 PM
 
We find that  three years after trying too appease the terrorists by withdrawing from Iraq, the terrorists are still not happy about events in Afghanistan and won't be entirely happy with the Spanish until they regain Spain in the name of Islam! What a pity, i thought Spain's Socialist Government had made Spain safer by withdrawing her troop's from Iraq? Turn's out, that once you have given in too demands... the threats just keep on coming anyways:


"In response to the latest Islamist threat against Spain, the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (Partido Socialista Obrero Español - PSOE) thought it appropriate to assure Spaniards that "Afghanistan is not Iraq." PSOE officials told news agencies that while the war in Iraq was "illegal," the mission in Afghanistan is being supported by the UN and includes 37 countries. It turns out Islamic terrorists don't care all that much about the distinction.

In a video issued this month by the Global Islamic Media Front, a hooded man warns that the presence of Spanish troops in Afghanistan "exposes Spain again to threats." The terrorist also delivers a message to all those Spaniards who flocked to the polls to elect the Socialists after the March 11 Madrid bombings: "The Spanish people have been tricked by a Socialist government which withdrew troops from Iraq and sent 600 to Afghanistan." So much for Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero's assurances that the withdrawal of Spanish troops from Iraq would make the country safer.

The video was shown on "Voice of the Caliphate," a weekly video magazine launched by Al Qaeda in 2005. Titled "Messages for the Governments of Germany and Austria," it advises those two countries to withdraw their troops from Afghanistan and to cease helping the United States and the UN. The references to Spain's presence in Afghanistan are not new. Terrorism expert Javier Jordán notes that the March 11 cell referred to Afghanistan in their communiqués. In fact, the terrorists' very last message called for the end of the supposed "truce" earned after Spain's withdrawal from Iraq. Spain's continued military commitment to Afghanistan was reason enough to continue the jihad in Spain.

In fact, the danger facing Spain is greater today than it was on March 11, 2003. Fernando Reinares, former terrorism advisor to the Interior Ministry and senior analyst at the Elcano Royal Institute, told the Los Angeles Times, "It is undoubtedly true that Spain is much more of a target today than before." One reason for the increased threat level is that Al Qaeda's No. 2, Ayman Zawahiri, has been calling for the reconquest of Spain about as much as Hamas leaders call for the destruction of Israel. Last month he exhorted Islamists in the Maghreb -- the northwestern part of Africa where 80 % of the 300 terrorist suspects arrested in Spain since March 11 come from -- "to once again feel the soil of Al Ándalus beneath your feet." Previously Zawahiri had called for liberating Muslim land "from Iraq to Al Ándalus."

Gustavo de Arístegui, author of The Jihad in Spain: The obsession to reconquer Al-Ándalus, explains that Muslims don't only want to reclaim Andalucía (the southern part of Spain.) European land that is "occupied" includes 4/5 of the Iberian Peninsula, some parts of southern France, half of Italy, the Balkans, and all the islands of the Mediterranean. But calls for the liberation of Ceuta and Melilla (Spanish enclaves on the North African coast) have been the most effective jihadist recruiting tools of late. In December of 2006, 11 Islamist radicals, ten Spaniards and a Moroccan, were arrested for planning to stage terrorist attacks in Ceuta. (Zawahiri responded to these arrests by referring to Ceuta and Melilla as occupied cities.

 
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Panther    Three years on... and they still are not appeased   3/19/2007 10:07:36 PM
The hat-tip belongs to the instapundit website: http://www.instapundit.com/
 
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