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Subject: Freed Prisoners Complain of Torture in Guantanamo Bay
Roman    3/13/2004 3:05:26 AM
These accusations are what you can expect when you release the terrorists. They know that America's image is vulnerable to accusations of human rights abuses and they know a lot of people will fall for their stories, so how better to damage the U.S. than spread these (likely) falsehoods? In any case, I think terrorists deserve such treatment as is described in the article below, but I doubt they are subjected to the beatings. As to the other things presented, such as tempting the religious ones with women, or injecting them with drugs - I love it! I always thought that the best way to humiliate and break the spirit of these jihadists (especially their leaders) would be to force them to preform indecent acts and covertly release the footage on the net for all Muslims to see! From CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/12/britain.freed.ap/index.html Britons freed from Guantanamo allege beatings Friday, March 12, 2004 Posted: 2208 GMT (0608 HKT) Story Tools VIDEO Australian seeks Guantanamo release PLAY VIDEO Families call for Gitmo release PLAY VIDEO RELATED Terry Waite: Detainees deserve due process QUICKVOTE Should the British Guantanamo Bay detainees have been released by the UK? Yes No VIEW RESULTS YOUR E-MAIL ALERTS Great Britain Afghanistan Guantanamo Bay Naval Base (Cuba) Colin Powell or CREATE YOUR OWN Manage alerts | What is this? LONDON, England (AP) -- One of the British men released from Guantanamo Bay said through his lawyer Friday that American authorities beat him, interrogated him at gunpoint and subjected him to "inhuman conditions" during his detention. Louise Christian, Tarek Dergoul's attorney, said his family believed his experiences had damaged him psychologically. He was among five Britons returned home from the U.S. Navy base in Cuba and released this week. He is the second of the group to publicly describe conditions at the camp, where former fellow detainee Jamal al-Harith said earlier he had suffered beatings, humiliation and interrogation for up to 12 hours at a time. Families of all the freed men, who were not charged, have said they were innocents caught up in the American war on terrorism. U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell told a British television network it was "unlikely" abuses were taking place at Guantanamo. "Because we are Americans, we don't abuse people who are in our care," he said. Christian said Dergoul had begun telling her and his family about "the horrific things which happened to him during detention at Bagram (U.S. air base in Afghanistan), Kandahar and Guantanamo Bay." He alleged "gross breaches of human rights" and demanded that the 640 detainees still in Guantanamo be freed immediately, she said. American authorities say prisoners at the camp are suspected of links to Afghanistan's fallen Taliban regime or the al-Qaida terror network. The U.S. military repeatedly has denied that Guantanamo prisoners have been mistreated. Dergoul described "botched medical treatment, interrogation at gunpoint, beatings and inhuman conditions" and condemned the American and British governments, Christian said. "Tarek finds it very difficult to talk about things and his family believe his mental health has been severely affected by the trauma he has suffered," she said. She declined to give any further details and said Dergoul, 26, of east London, would not be speaking to journalists any time soon because of health problems. He reportedly flew to Pakistan in 2001 to learn Arabic after giving up his job caring for the elderly and was allegedly captured in Afghanistan. His family has insisted he has no links to terrorism and said he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Al-Harith told Britain's ITV network that interrogators at Guantanamo had applied intense psychological pressure, telling him that authorities in Britain would seize his family's home and all their money, turning them onto the street if he did not admit he was involved in terrorism. "He was obviously trying some mind game but I said 'I don't believe you,"' said al-Harith, 37. Many detainees were given regular injections, after which "they would just sit there like in a daze and sometimes you would see them shaking," he said. He said he was beaten and put in isolation because he refused injections and was sometimes forcibly given unidentified drugs. Al-Harith said he had never had any ties to terrorism and would seek compensation from the U.S. government for his two years at Guantanamo. The five detainees were flown back to Britain on Tuesday. Al-Harith was freed after several hours of questioning and the others were released on Wednesday. Powell told ITV that charges of abuse were unwarranted and that it was "not in the American tradition to treat people in that manner." He said the prisoners' long detentions were jus
 
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Green Dragon    RE:Freed Prisoners Complain of Torture in Guantanamo Bay   3/13/2004 11:44:17 AM
"Tarek finds it very difficult to talk about things and his family believe his mental health has been severely affected by the trauma he has suffered," she said. Is this a result of time spent at his local mosque or Guantanamo Bay? I wish journalists were more precise.
 
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capitalist72    RE:Freed Prisoners Complain of Torture in Guantanamo Bay   3/14/2004 10:16:18 AM
Obviously the guy is innocent....it is well known that Pakistan is the best place to learn Arabic, and Afghanistan under the Taliban was quite a popular tourist destination which could explain why he was captured there. "He reportedly flew to Pakistan in 2001 to learn Arabic after giving up his job caring for the elderly and was allegedly captured in Afghanistan. His family has insisted he has no links to terrorism and said he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time."
 
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Roman    RE:Freed Prisoners Complain of Torture in Guantanamo Bay   3/14/2004 12:45:04 PM
Indeed capitalist72... going to Pakistan to learn Arabic a few weeks after 9/11 is not suspicious at all. Neither is the fact, that he just happened to stumble into Afghanistan, while he thought he was in Turkey, because Turkey and Afghanistan are sooooo close to each other that they don't even share a border. Also note his heroism in the face of brutality of the camp - he never succumbed to anything...
 
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Panther    RE:Freed Prisoners Complain of Torture in Guantanamo Bay   3/14/2004 1:37:44 PM
What in the world do we know about the credibility of this guy anyhow! You can find all sorts of stories of american abuses across the planet. But, does anyone bother to delve deeply before printing such accusations. Sensationalism before integrity rules the day in thought as well as in deed. There's always a slight possibilty that a gaurd had abused the trust placed upon him by the U.S.government; And if so, there is also the high possibilty that said guard is now himself facing heavy jail time himself! Nobody's perfect, except a journalist from a far-leftist point of view!
 
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Condor Legion    RE:Freed Prisoners Complain of Torture in Guantanamo Bay   3/14/2004 2:32:35 PM
"Vice girls?" Please, abuse me like that. How come none of these professional complainers ever complains about prison conditions in Iran, Syria, North Korea, or China? Nobody ever gains weight in those prisons. Nobody ever leaves those prisons healthier than when they entered. And nobody in those prisons gets to see Vice Girls. ...and how exactly do Vice Girls compare to Spice girls? Do the Vice Girls have a song&dance routine? STRAIGHT LINES, CL.
 
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ghettovet    RE:Freed Prisoners Complain of Torture in Guantanamo Bay   3/14/2004 3:37:51 PM
What are the chances that these forced injections of an "unknown substance" were simply some kind of vitamin compound. I know that there were reports of inmates going on hunger strikes. Maybe someone else is more familiar with current practices to handle someone who is starving themselves. I know of IV usage but i would think we would have to strap them down for this otherwise they could just take the IV out. Also, each cell with its own water tap?? Doesnt sound very torterous to me. They should have taken all the prisoners on a field trip to look at the conditions in Fidel's prisons. GV
 
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Panther    RE:Freed Prisoners Complain of Torture in Guantanamo Bay   3/14/2004 5:41:22 PM
I've never known of adult U.S. prison inmates who were released into the public domain; Who were in a hurry to get back in. Crap, i remember the times i got detention in school. The corpral punishment that was meted out; and my lord if i didn't like what was happening to me at school, my Pa' would make it 20 times as worse for me at home! All that was because i was in the wrong place at the wrong time. (but of course, sometimes i wasn't either.) Moral of the story: You take the risk, be prepared to take the lumps!
 
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FJV    BS   3/15/2004 12:57:24 PM
IF (and that is a big IF) the US would torture then they would be much more professional about it (slapping around a bit and "vice girls"). I mean come on vice girls? In Amsterdam rich Saudis pay a lot of money for that.
 
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American Kafir    None of these abuses would have ever happen...   3/15/2004 12:59:43 PM
...if we'd quit dickering around and nuke the bastards already.
 
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sentinel28a    RE:BS   3/15/2004 2:43:44 PM
Vice girls? Your own room with running water? Three meals a day free? Caribbean sunshine? Man, *I* want to go to Guantanamo!
 
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