I heard that Israel has declared they are going to kill Yassin. I say its about time. Hamas is a spiritual ally of Al Qaeda, just more focused on Israel.

:::anti-war drivel to follow::: "but but but!! They don't MEAN all that! That's just rhetoric! They don't really want to hurt us ALL!!! just the mean old Israelis!" I can hear it now man. I hope Israel get's this sociopath yassim. I don't care HOW much he looks like Sauroman! ;-) Can you say, "Total War"? It's true, WE may not be at war with islam, but islam certainly appears to be at war with us. E.

Couple of points: (1) The words of one man and his insane organization do not speak for an entire religion. Otherwise the Olkahoma city bomber just sent Christianity to war against ALL non christians. (2) I have never said that Bush was wrong about his War On Terror. He was wrong about the War on Iraq-two seperate issues many people take as one pill. (3) What battle exactly are we taking about here Sarge? Terrorism? Then those "certain people" are already behind you. (4) It IS total war agasint terror. Not Islam. Never forget that. And breaking our own ideals to defeat terror makes us just as bad as they are. After all fallen angels, for all their former godliness, are still evil.

"(1) The words of one man and his insane organization do not speak for an entire religion. Otherwise the Olkahoma city bomber just sent Christianity to war against ALL non christians." The major flaw with your analogy above is that 99.999% of Christians strongly CONDEMENDED the OKC bombing, and would say that it was in no way justified or could be excused. I have seen clear evidence that the percentage of Muslims that support or excuse the homicide bombings against Jews, for example, are either a majority or a very significant minority. I also have reason to believe that the % of Muslims who thought that the US deserved 9/11 for some reason or another (i.e. they either excuse it or would not condemn it without qualification) is much, much greater than 0.001%. Therefore, your analogy actually works against your own argument. NewGuy

Perhaps you forget that a large part of the islamic communtity condemened the NYC attack as well. A large portion did not though and that is disturbing. But u forget that that portion is an uneducated mob that fells victimized by the CIA and America when they were used like pawns aainst the U.S.S.R. And do you say that bacause a larger percent of a said population supports an evil act than an other population, that that population deserves to be plunged into more war? After all, war is what created these populations. I say that the terrorists are the ones we are after, not muslims in general.That just gives OBL what he wants- a war between Muslims and the rest. We need to be more selective in who we fight and more public about how we do it-that creates trust. And the first step might be stopping support for the House of Saud.

I am afraid the situation is far more dangerous than you believe LogicRules. Sunni Islam is slowly being hijacked by Wahhabi clerics from Saudi Arabia, who preach Shar'iah and jihad against the West. The number who believe in that Salafist strain of Islam are growing, not shrinking. Soon they will represent the majority of Sunni muslims. Not good. We could have "our" war even if the US does nothing to possibly anger them. Except of course, exist. Our very existence and prosperity is an affront to their belief system, so it will ultimately come down to us versus them. I don't relish that fact, but rather accept it as very likely. Hopefully we can deal with the Saudis soon and stop the rot from its source.

"A large portion did not though and that is disturbing. But u forget that that portion is an uneducated mob that fells victimized by the CIA and America when they were used like pawns aainst the U.S.S.R." That is a fallacy, and patently untrue: Firstly, much of the Arab world (Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Libya, etc) was *allied* with the USSR during the cold war (please explain how else they got all that Soviet military hardware -- it wasnt from the US.). Secondly, any "feelings" the Arab street has about America is incited primarily from Arab controlled state media, and Muslim clerics, both of whom issue false information about the US position in the world, and incites the Arab population against the US and Israel. You also have failed to notice that the US has pulled almost all of its military forces from Saudia Arabia -- we are indeed disengaging from the House of Saud. Oh, not all at once, but bit by bit it is happening -- but if we are not careful, Saudi could fall into chaos, and far worst extremists than the House of Saud could gain power there. That is what you claim you worry about in Iraq, so by your own logic we should be careful in Arabia, shouldn't we? "And do you say that bacause a larger percent of a said population supports an evil act than an other population, that that population deserves to be plunged into more war? After all, war is what created these populations." I will speak plainly: A society that preaches hate in its holy places, and tells its children that other races are either evil or inferior, can expect to reap the seeds they sow. Any society that teaches its children to hate an entire race, that teaches them that murdering members of said race is encouraged or will be rewarded by their God, simply cannot expect to live in peace with those that they so treat. True peace starts with the values that we teach our children: When the Muslim world rejects those who would teach their children to hate, then they can expect to live in peace. NewGuy

We have heard it constantly- there are Christian wackos, Muslims wackos, Jewish wackos, all kinds of wackos... what makes the Muslim wackos any different? Millions of wacko followers. .

>>A Hamas statement concerning their recent suicide bomber- this one should concern everybody- from the Check Points in Israel to the great Capitals of the West to the philosophers in Parisian Cafes: "She is not going to be the last (attacker) because the march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only on the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe," - Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar.<< And our little dog too. I wonder if he believes all that infidel garbage about the universe being infinite and self-sustaining, or if he subscribes to the view sanctioned by the holy scriptures of the Quran. Their "universe" is much smaller, even if you can find the turtle it sits on top of.

>>(1) The words of one man and his insane organization do not speak for an entire religion. Otherwise the Olkahoma city bomber just sent Christianity to war against ALL non christians.<< Any careful, much less careless, examination of Timothy McVeigh's affiliation with the Christian Identity cult at Elohim City would reveal tenets of doctrine which espouse the following beliefs: * Denial of the actual / belief in the faked crucifixion of Jesus * Virulent anti-Semitism * British-Israelism and white supremacist theology - belief in "lost tribes of Israel" and / or conspiracy theories of Merovingian royal "children of Jesus" being the progenitors of "God's chosen people" - European white people as "lost Jews" * paranoid distrust of all things spawning from the American government Even as an atheist, I can see Timmy the Toad had more in common with the average Muslim than the average Christian. And the similarities of belief should awaken anyone who takes the rise of anti-Semitism seriously.