Never been any skinhead terrorists?! What a suprising statement. What is your definition of the term "terrorist"? To me, the skinheads are terrorists just as bad as the Islamist ones. They have got away with plenty in the past - maybe the situation ha changed now. Fascist white group are terrorists too, and are just as bad as Islamist terrorists - though they are less of a threat because they do not have state support. To me, apartheid South Africa, was a terrorist state. You may disagee, which is why I am interested in your definition of terrorism.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1997/uk2/ Read the link, Basher, and then tell me if your statement: "White skinhead terrorists? There have never been any of those" is correct or wrong. If it is correct, tell me why the incidents reported are not considered terrorist or terrorist sympathising. There are *plenty* of "indigenous population" terrorist groups in the UK too, apart from the Islamist terrorist groups. Interesting nick, by the way, "Basher." Guess you're a BNP supporter? Makes sense, and so does your nick.

No, I am not a BNP supporter. I don't really consider myself to be anything definitely political. Any thuggish organisation that was indigenous, there were probably some in the sixies and seventies (that were large enough to count as organisations) got punished for breaking English law, same as anyone else would. They were never given preferential treatment BECAUSE OF their militant creeds - unlike Muslim terrorists. The Muslims actually get funding from the taxpayer for their Mosques and weapons. Finnsbury Park Mosque was discovered to have an arsenal of terrorist weapons in its basement. I don't count things like Combat 18 (which doesn't exist in England any more) as indigenous, as they called themselves "racialist," and not nationalist. They never actually destroyed much, fortunately. The Muslims frequently throw whole countries into chaos. I meant terrorist in the sense of being bent on world domination and being prepared to use random violence in order to accomplish it. The Muslims destroyed the two towers; there was never any talk of "skinhead white terrorists" plotting to do the same. The Muslims drug and gang rape small girls to show their hate. I would hope that none of my compatriots would do this for whatever reason, even if he had a bad haircut.

The link: under that ridiculous Tyndall man, the BNP did some stupid and degrading things, take those clownish marches. Their policies are very different now (for what that's worth) Support for the National Front has greatly decreased since their early years. Not making a complaint, but the link seems to be attempting a little anglophobic propaganda. It is exaggerating the PERCENTAGE of non-europeans murdered. A graph confirms that in London, most murders are perpetrated by non-whites, the murderers most likely to be asian. The victims are most often white. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-920334,00.html And please let's have no more rudeness and groundless assumptions about other forum members.

" Any thuggish organisation that was indigenous, there were probably some in the sixies and seventies" The report has cases right up to the mid-1990's. It was published in 1997. "got punished for breaking English law, same as anyone else would." The sentences for assault and battery seemed pretty light to me from the report. "They were never given preferential treatment BECAUSE OF their militant creeds - unlike Muslim terrorists." I don't know whether Muslim terrorists get preferential treatment - if they do, they shouldn't. But the skin-head terrorists certainly seemed to have gotten away with a fair bit with pretty light sentencing in quite a few instances. "The Muslims actually get funding from the taxpayer for their Mosques and weapons." Which is ridiculous - no church, mosque, or temple should be funded by the state. "I don't count things like Combat 18 (which doesn't exist in England any more) as indigenous, as they called themselves "racialist," and not nationalist." Well, you seem to be adopting the similar stance of many Muslim organisations, who would say that Al-Qaeda etc..are not true Muslims. "They never actually destroyed much, fortunately." Perhaps not much of yours, but they seem to have committed a fair amount of murders and terrorist acts of their own, destroying innocent peoples lives, just like the Islamic terrorists. "I meant terrorist in the sense of being bent on world domination and being prepared to use random violence in order to accomplish it." Well, many Islamist terrorist organisations are rooted in local causes in Kashmir, Israel, Chechnya, etc..though they have a global ideology - much like your skinhead compatriots. "The Muslims destroyed the two towers; there was never any talk of "skinhead white terrorists" plotting to do the same." No, not the same terrorist act, but many other ones. We differ on the definition of terrorist. To me, a terrorist is anyone who commits acts of violence against civilians with the intention to spread terror among a general populace or section thereof. "The Muslims drug and gang rape small girls to show their hate. I would hope that none of my compatriots would do this for whatever reason, even if he had a bad haircut. " Here's what your compatriots do, from the same HRW report: "Mukhtar Ahmed, nineteen years old, and five friends were walking on Bethnal Green Road in London, February 8, 1994, when they were attacked and chased by twenty white youths who came at them from two directions. The attack was clearly planned. While his friends were able to escape, Muktar was chased to a dead end. According to the prosecution, John Hardy, "He was punched to the floor. He curled up in a ball to protect himself as best he could. His head was kicked backwards and forwards as though it was some sort of football in a school playground. He was soon unconscious. His facial appearance was grotesque to the point of being unrecognizable."74 Muktar was beaten mostly about the head with staves and kicked. During the attack, the perpetrators chanted, "Paki!" He received forty-eight stitches crisscrossing his face and scalp and suffered a broken jaw. He was in a coma for several days. Nicky Fuller, seventeen years old, was found guilty of the attack on Muktar Ahmed. He was sentenced to only six months in prison and then immediately released because he had already served six months while on remand.Judge Peter Rountree said that Mr. Fuller had played only a peripheral role in the attack, but noted that under the Criminal Justice Bill, which was to go into effect the next year, Mr. Fuller could have been sentenced to two years. Mr. Fuller's girlfriend, Kelly Turner, was a principal witness in the case. She had kept detailed diaries of conversations with Mr. Fuller regarding the attack and the names of those involved. An excerpt is quoted from a statement she made to the press: One of Nicky's friends phoned and said: "I've been in the nick all day. We beat a Paki boy up last night and we're going to be done for attempted murder." The next day, Nicky phoned three times before I got back from school. When I spoke to him, he told me: "We did a Paki." He wanted to go back out with me. He was trying to impress me, act macho. At first I thought they were making it up, but then I saw the news and everything he'd just told me came up on the telly. The police appealed for anyone with information to come forward. After that, I kept notes of all the telephone conversations I had with them and names they mentioned. I went back to Hollywoods the next week after the attack, before I'd made my statement. I saw Nicky again and I asked him what had happened. He said: "There was loads of us. We all put in a couple of boots. I've got that Paki boy's blood on my trainers [sneakers]." He had white Reebok trainers with a gray strip, really dirty and horrible, and he had blood in that bit where the laces are. It was al

"Not making a complaint, but the link seems to be attempting a little anglophobic propaganda. " Basher, you display many of the same traits of Muslims putting down Islamist terror to "western propaganda" and absolving themselves of the blame. A terrorist is a terrorist, even if he's white. You've seen my definition of terrorist earlier. Islamist terror is a huge problem because it has state support of countries like Saudi and Pakistan, unlike the skinheads. But spare me the whining about lip-service political correctness and harsh penalties being handed down to people who shout "paki" on the streets - I am well aware about exactly how the police in the UK frequently respond to racist hate crimes and murders against Asians - very similarly to how they responded in the case of Muktar that I posted in my previous email. It's not uncommon for the victim to be arrested.

They arrest murder victims in the UK? Do they resist?

"They arrest murder victims in the UK? Do they resist " http://www.hrw.org/reports/1997/uk2/ "For example, the restaurant of an Asian man, Muktar P., was attacked regularly by gangs of youths yelling racist abuse, setting rubbish alight, firing at the staff with air guns, writing graffiti, throwing eggs and on one occasion a fire rocket was launched through the staff toilet window. The police were called repeatedly. Notes taken by Mr. P during these incidents say, "Police did not seem to do much about it..." These incidents continued until twenty to thirty youths attacked the restaurant. The owner was hit by a car and surrounded by twenty youths. He suffered injuries to his arm and shoulder. During the scuffle he tried to defend himself. When the police arrived Mr. P was charged with three counts of assault and possession of a dangerous weapon (a mop handle). None of his attackers were caught or charged.162 In April 1994, Mr. Oussman heard loud bangs on his front door. When he investigated the noise he saw ten to fifteen white youths throwing bricks and shouting racist abuse outside. In the past when he called the police, their efforts left him unsatisfied because they could not find sufficient evidence to arrest the perpetrators. As a result, he went after the assailants himself and disarmed one ofthem. Six police officers eventually arrived and charged Mr. Oussman with affray and assault. The attacks on his house by the same groups continued after this incident. They have smashed his windows, broken fanlights and painted graffiti. Though he has called the police on numerous occasions, they have made no concerted effort to investigate these incidents.163 "

Not wishing to make too much of this - it is straying from the topic of the forum, but I might point out that that specific murder took place in England - if I, or any non-asian on this board were to go into almost ANY asian country we would not last a minute, and there would NEVER be any investigations afterwards. It was the same indeed with Gavin Hopley who accidentally strayed into the asian area of Oldham. The Muslims under no provocation actually attack distant countries (not even theirs) and demolish whole sky scrapers - and it is not a case of the other Muslim asians coldly tolerating them or accidentally overlooking them, as we might do with Combat 18, the Muslim asians revere them as heroes. And at least some of the September 11th hijackers were asians born and raised in England and continental Europe - once again disproving the theory that assimilation can work. It has often had bad and chaotic results, take Oldham in Summer 2001, or Keighley and Birmingham are worse still. As to organised gang-rape, we can agree that white and african communities don't practise it. Undoubtedly, the police may occasionally still act indifferently to cases such as that one, but the overall treatment for any of the indigenous population attacked by an asian is much more callous. The Islamic Militant gang in Birmingham (the "lethal Pakistani crew,") get total media blackouts. When they attacked a pregnant woman on the street, the story was confined to the local rag and the police made NO effort to hinder them or investigate their 'organisation.' This story was also consigned to a local rag: http://icsurreyonline.icnetwork.co.uk/printable_version.cfm?objectid=13593053&siteid=50101 The murder in Oldham of Gavin Hopley by Mohsin Raza was also kept under wraps: quite different to the treatment of the case you quoted, which received great media attention. The bias in the media is very obvious, though the graph in the Times gives the true statistics, at last. The curbs on freedom of speech aimed at putting the asians first is really no joke when it comes to an experienced prison office getting fired just for insulting Ossama Bin Laden. The whole system requires a complete overhaul; not just a matter for Britain, but the worlds security is also at stake.

Basher, perhaps I am just being paranoid, but I am starting to smell the putrid stink that is racism on your part. Your attitude towards "asians" seems to me to be border-line racism. Terrorists like "skinheads" are minor two bit punks compared to the Islamist terrorists who threaten Western civilization. Its one thing to attack non-white people, with the occasional arson and murder thrown in, but its another entirely to attempt to covertly take control of the political apparatus of a nation and make into an Islamic hellhole. Lets get our priorities straight people.