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Subject: A real Crusader calls out Osama Bin Laden
American Kafir    11/3/2003 7:38:57 PM
An Open Letter to Osama bin Laden: By Chevalier James R. Reese, Grand Prior of the United States Dear Osama, We have noted that you like to refer to America and Great Britain as "Crusader states," and you have referred to just about everybody you don't like as Crusaders. We doubt that you really believe there are any Crusaders left, as we doubt that you really believe in God. You would not taunt Crusaders if you really believed in them, because you are a craven coward who cherishes his own flesh while admonishing your followers to blow themselves up. You are an infidel, because no one who truly believes in God would sanction the killing of innocent men, women, and children. Your actions show you to be both a coward and an infidel, because you ask your followers to do what you are afraid to do, and you don't believe there is a God who will condemn you for your vile actions against Islam and humanity. Osama, you have been wrong on both counts. There is a God, and there are Knights Templar who still serve Him centuries after the Crusades. This Knight Templar calls you a craven coward and an infidel. He calls you a murderer of the innocent, and a defiler of holy places. He calls you the favorite son of Satan, for you above all men on the earth have done your best to do Satan's bidding. Not only that, but to prove to the entire world that you are a coward and an infidel, this Knight Templar challenges you to single combat in the sands of Pakistan. I challenge you to meet me with scimitar or sword, to be pitted against myself and a holy sword consecrated to our Order-a sword that was forged to destroy evil. Here's the deal: if I win, Al Qaeda is disbanded-forever. If you win, then you can set the head of a Knight Templar on a pike outside your tent, and you can claim that you slew the chief of all Crusaders in the United States. I call you out of the shadows to face me-and to face your own fears. How long can you go on, hiding behind women and sacrificing your followers, while you-the spoiled son of a rich family-sit in safe houses and eat rich food? How long can you live a lie, pretending to be a jihadist when all you crave is to be the sultan of a new Arab empire, an empire will be secular and not Islamic? You could, of course, send your minions to kill me before that combat occurs. But if you send others to do your fighting for you, the news of your cowardice will reverberate from the Kunjerab Pass to the beaches of Gwydar, from Riyadh to Jakarta. It will be recorded in the history books that the great Osama bin Laden, the would-be leader of jihadists around the world, quailed before a Crusader, and cried out for others to save him. The name Osama will be equated with cowardice before a Crusader, and no family will ever so name a son again. You will be known as the "Cowardly Infidel" who knew that he could not count upon his personal courage or God to deliver him, for he possessed a belief in neither. We know, Osama, that this message will reach you. You can reply to it through Al-Jazeera, which is always happy to act as the mouthpiece for murderers. In fact, Al Jazeera can film the combat and show it on television sets across the world. You would be defeated before the eyes of millions, but at least you would have retained a shred of personal honor. You would at least have proved yourself to be a man, a goal that has so far eluded you. If I win, it will be a victory for all persons who believe in God and who know that the God of the Torah, and of the Bible, and of the Quran is not a God who directs the killing of women and children. If you win, it will be a victory for the followers of Satan-but Satan and his followers historically have not done well when faced by Godly men and women. My prediction, however, is that you will ignore the challenge. But be forewarned that your leadership will first be questioned in whispers, then in hushed conversations, and finally to your face. Your courage will first be questioned, then disputed, and then openly challenged. It will be the beginning of the end for you. Your own followers will accomplish what your opponents have not yet managed to accomplish, once they realize that you are craven coward who always runs, but never stands and fights. When we faced Saladin, we knew him to be a man of honor, a man who kept his word. He similarly regarded us as trustworthy, and our Order helped to broker a peace between him and Richard the Lion Hearted. It is known by all Muslims that a Knight Templar never broke his word. I promise you, as a Knight Templar, that I will come to you alone, a single knight amidst thousands of your followers. You can have me killed in front of your followers . . . but then, of course, your reputation as a coward and an infidel will be sealed for all eternity. If you claim that your followers killed me in defiance of your orders, then you will be known as a weak leader who did not have th
 
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Question    RE:The letter is a fake   1/9/2004 6:24:31 AM
Thats odd.The tone of the message doesnt match the ones posted before by American Kafir.Im talking about the message posted on 12/24/2003 6:33:07 PM. I dont quite understand that message.Its like hes debating whether the letter is a fake or not,but people are debating whether the letter in the original post was a fake or not,so he should be saying either "Yes its a fake" or "No its not a fake",not "Could be a fake,or not". UNLESS....the original poster is NOT James R.Reese,but rather,copied and pasted the letter from somewhere,in which case,some of the posts made by American Kafir was completely bull as he tried to pretend to be James R.Reese. Now i dont understand how this thread manage to go from a challenge to Osama,to justification for Iraqi war,bali bombings,WTC and even Israel-Palestine. Iraq - OBVIOUSLY the USA wasnt going in to stop possible attacks by Iraq on the USA(um for instance,how the hell will Iraq get troops or missles to USA?),OR to free the poor,repressed,Iraqi people(that was a beneficial side effect,NOT the main aim.). Proof : The fact that dozens of countries have repressive governments,and the USA isnt going in to liberate those countries.Pakistan and China are the 2 best examples i can think of.But wait...if they had LOTS of oil,as well as a small,incompetent army.... Israel - Israel is mis-treating Palestinian civilians.I was once directed to view a human rights website(im not sure if its the UN one,or a UN-related one),where there was a very,very,VERY long list of human right abuses by Israel. For some reason,the Israeli government doesnt seem to realise that giving people more reason to hate you directly translates to increased terrorist activity.GG. And of course,the Palestinain bombings make Israelis hate Palestinines,which then makes Israeli troops do bad things,which in turn creates more sucide bombers.... WTC - Im not sure if Al Qaeda actually did it.Stop and think.There were tons of sites that showed SOLID evidence of some weird FACTs,backed up by witnessess,photos,etc.These sites have,strangely,all dissapeared.Odd isnt it.Before you scream "OMG CONSPIRACY NUT!",ask yourself why a huge 747 made a impact hole in the pentagon about the size of a F-16 and had nearly NO debris of the plane itself.Please feel free to go back to airplane crash sites history,you will notice that they have a LOT of debris scattered around. It also seems extremely strange that ALL Israeli citizens/Jews were SPECIFICALLY instructed to STAY AWAY from the WTC on 11th september.Thats odd....who told them that?The terrorist?Cmon they would LOVE to have lots of Israelis die in the crash.The government?If they knew enough to warn the Israelis away,why let the others die?Who,warned the Israelis,and how the hell did they know for certain that planes would crash into the WTC on 11th september? These are just 2 examples.There have been literally tonnes of inconsistencies with the WTC bombing.Tons.The way the building collasped,why a terrorist who knew that he was going on a sucide trip DELIBERATELY left a nice,fat,suitcase full of incriminating evidence where any moron could find it,etc.
 
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swhitebull    Questions reasoning skills abandon all semblance of coherent and rational thinking   1/9/2004 7:01:44 AM
...WTC - Im not sure if Al Qaeda actually did it.Stop and think.There were tons of sites that showed SOLID evidence of some weird FACTs,backed up by witnessess,photos,etc.These sites have,strangely,all dissapeared.Odd isnt it.Before you scream "OMG CONSPIRACY NUT!",ask yourself why a huge 747 made a impact hole in the pentagon about the size of a F-16 and had nearly NO debris of the plane itself.Please feel free to go back to airplane crash sites history,you will notice that they have a LOT of debris scattered around. ... ALL URBAN LEGENDS and thoroughly debunked and discredited - unless you are a paranoid delusional, think the moon is made of green cheese, and Uncle Saddam loved little kids (while his sons were raping their mothers). PLEASE Show some CREDIBLE proof of this crap to back up your bogus theories. ..It also seems extremely strange that ALL Israeli citizens/Jews were SPECIFICALLY instructed to STAY AWAY from the WTC on 11th september.Thats odd....who told them that?The terrorist?Cmon they would LOVE to have lots of Israelis die in the crash.The government?If they knew enough to warn the Israelis away,why let the others die?Who,warned the Israelis,and how the hell did they know for certain that planes would crash into the WTC on 11th september?.. Did you leave your tin foil hat at home? Since it seems the aliens have gotten thru to you with their thought wave machines. Where do you get THIS bullcrap? The Little Arab Green Book of Conspiracy Nuts for Dummies? or "I Married a WAHHABI GIRL JUST LIKE MOM and Found out on MY WEDDING NIGHT THAT SHE WAS A JEWISH Boychik"?" EVERYTHING you have mentioned regarding the Israelis is just TOTAL bunk - put together by Arab and antiSemitic consiracy nutcases and paranoid delusionals to "prove" that the Israelis and Jews were beind the WTC bombings, or complicit in it. SOunds like that good ole religion of BLATANT ANTISEMITISM on YOUR Part, Question-Mark. THERE IS NO SHRED of evidence to even entertain the thought that this is true. That you would even entertain the idea just shows how lacking in independent thinking skills you have, and demonstrates a HUGE bias and prejudice on your part. JUST PLAIN STUPIDITY - and ANTI-SEMITISM. Keep on feeding that grey matter that substitutes for your brain with the offal that comes from the brains and spinal cords of cows. It might improve your ability to think and cogitate above the level of an amoeba - which at least can react to outside stimulus - and reproduce. swhitebull - just one more useful idiot, that might be a candidate in the making for the Darwin Awards. No, I take that back. THIS ONE doesnt even rise to the level of Useful.
 
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appleciderus    Did someone's septic system back up?   1/9/2004 7:07:45 AM
Where do idiots like this come from? How can any education system produce this offal without a disclaimer? Does the spelling of the word “tonnes” offer a hint? I leave it to others with more patience to destroy this poster’s preposterous claims, if the Sysop doesn’t throw his a$$ out of here for the “all the Jews stayed home on 9/11”comment. What a horses a$$!!! For any who had not visited the Pentagon shortly after 9/11, it was apparent to a blind man with a deaf dog that the aircraft impacted the ground a good distance from the building. It then traveled on the ground into the building. The terrorist’s inexperience caused the premature impact, thus saving many lives. Additionally, the impacted area (US Navy) had just been recently renovated, and not completely re-occupied. I encourage any poster with factual knowledge to crucify this “Intellectual Mongrel” calling himself/herself “Question”.
 
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flanker    RE:The letter is a fake   1/9/2004 7:26:24 AM
"These are just 2 examples.There have been literally tonnes of inconsistencies with the WTC bombing.Tons.The way the building collasped,why a terrorist who knew that he was going on a sucide trip DELIBERATELY left a nice,fat,suitcase full of incriminating evidence where any moron could find it,etc " What "question" doesn't seem to realize is that terrorists are not like other criminals. Unlike someone who embezzles money and tries to keep the crime hidden, a terrorist wants everyone to know who perpetrated the act of terrorism and why. Otherwise what is the point of the terrorism?
 
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Question    RE:The letter is a fake   1/9/2004 9:11:56 AM
Please note that you are violating this board's rules by insulting another forum user.Thank you. Also,unless you are willing to discuss things in a sane,rational manner,instead of going "OMGZ ANOTHER CONSPIRACY NUT!!!LOLZOZLZOLZ!!!!!",please refrain from posting. Al Qaeda could easily have claimed responsibility via a phone call.Cmon that post of yours was ludicrous.No terrorist group deliberately leaves evidence like that,that allows them to be traced back. Im not even going to be responding to the other hate-filled posts full of insults.You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
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Question    RE:Questions reasoning skills abandon all semblance of coherent and rational thinking   1/9/2004 9:14:24 AM
I would also like to add that according to the Rules of Use,debating about who was responsible for 9/11 is allowed,however saying things like "The usa deserved it" is not allowed.
 
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swhitebull    RE:The letter is a fake   1/9/2004 9:43:54 AM
Don't let the door hit you on your tin-foil posterity on the way out. swhitebull
 
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swhitebull    RE:The letter is a fake   1/9/2004 9:55:20 AM
..Please note that you are violating this board's rules by insulting another forum user.Thank you. ... Oh really? Why not take it up with the Website's management and let them decide? YOU are insulting the intelligence of the board's posters by posting such drivel as this, thank you very much. And you are seriously in violation of the Board's Rules of Use by posting anti-Semitic conspiracy theory sh*t. Care to wager who will win a protest? swhitebull - if you post cloud-cuckoo-land bullcrap like this and then expect that you be treated seriously, be prepared to be challenged on EVERY item that you post, your motivations for posting such, and your ability to conjure anything from nothing or from pigs slop. Your posts are judged by others here on the merits - unfortunately, this post of yours has already been totally and thoroughly discredited in the marketplace of normal ideas, except by delusional Arab and Muslims, and anti-Semites, and are best posted on science fiction and fantasy websites. If you make such bald-faced lies and claims here, one can only question YOUR motives for bringing it up. If you don't like that you are challenged and called out on that, oh well! This website is littered with the ashes of trolls and ghuls who thought otherwise.
 
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Vulture    Swhitebull - please don't lump the two together   1/9/2004 10:11:15 AM
SW said "...except by delusional Arab and Muslims, and anti-Semites, and are best posted on science fiction and fantasy websites " As a SMOF , I deny all assocation with delusional muslims. Our SF boards are not supportive of deluded conspiracy theorists. While we do have to deal with the Hubbardites, we draw the line at people who don't understand physics. Besides it is a proven fact that fanatical muslims are lousy in the hard sciences, which I think we should all be thankful for. BTW QUESTION is just the reincarnation of a muslim troll. Hopefully Sysops will deal with him quickly.
 
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appleciderus    Just anoter Anti-Semite...   1/9/2004 10:15:07 AM
...hiding behind the thin veneer of a "liberal" education.
 
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