I see that the key issue in regards to Islam is Aisha. Simply because it seems to be a very common misconception that she was 6 when married to the prophet.
Before I go into the details, I would like to explain who Bukhari and Muslim collected the hadith.
1)one needs to understand that the hadith was collected three or four generations after the prophet died, so there will be fabricated hadiths reported in these books.
2)Back then, it took a very long time for someone to gather the amount of hadiths gathered, Bukhari traveled for months just becuase he heard of a person in a far away city who is said to know a few hadiths. So seeing who widespread and how far apart those people were, it was very easy for someone to inject some fabricated haiths to the collection of Bukhari and muslim.
3)Seeing how much time and effort it took, neither of them was concerened in filtering the hadiths based on content. They did it only throught the chain of reporters. (Hadith reached their generation mostly through Oral tradition)
Bottom line, not everything in their collections are 100% accurate. The fact that it was carried through Oral tradition for a few generation alone makes some of the hadith very inaccurate. SO just because a hadith is in Bukhari or Musilm, it doesn't mean it is true.
That is one reason why I believe this hadith regarding aisha is fabricated.
Anyways, I need to get the name of this book from a friend. The author wrote the book in an attempt to degrade Muslim women, and how Islam treats women. From what my friend tells me, Aisha was the reason he failed in degrading women, he quoted him directly saying something like this. This book would be a great proof as to how the claim about Aisha isn't true for many reasons, 1)the author is not muslim, 2)when researching about her, he was forced to change his opinion because of what he discovered.
Give me a few days, I gurantee you that I will get the name, author, and maybe the exact pages as to where this guy discusses this topic.
As for all the rest of AK's arguments, I have clearly shown him the proper way of looking at verses in the quran, I can't find that post now, seeing that you found one of the early ones, please let me know how could I find mine.
The point I made in that point was based on how the greates muslim scholars viewed those same exact verses that Ak brought up, and how they never applied them the way Ak implies they were applied. I also explain in great detail that great error in the way AK took those verse out of the context of Islam and the quran, and what is the proper way of analyzing the Quran. I don't want to explain it again because it really is a long process, much easier to do than to describe.
The bottom line was that AK's usage and understanding of those verses were false, and were not at all shared by the muslims who lived near the time of the Prophet. They were only his understanding of the Quran, NOT Islam's outlook towards those statements.
So Ump, you may think that AK shut me down and broke my sword, but the fact of the matter is that I clearly explained why and how is wrong, but no one cared to notice or listen, for that I blame all of you who read that post and decided to disregard it simply to prove that they are right. That is the truth about what happened, not your selective snapshots.
I wonder who is more biased, me? who accurately defended Islam or you and Ak? who deliberately disregarded my refutal to their arguments, and only showed the part of the Argument when Ak made his statement and didn't even bother show my answers. |