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Subject: Bernard Lewis Lecture
sofa    3/25/2007 4:49:46 PM
Bernard Lewis Lecture 7 March, 2007 "http://aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.25815/pub_detail.asp" http://aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.25815/pub_detail.asp ------ Thank you, Vice President and Mrs. Cheney, ladies and gentlemen. As you have been told, I have studied a number of languages, but I cannot find words in any of them adequate to express my feeling of gratitude for the honor and appreciation which I have been shown this evening. All I can say is thank you. My topic this evening is Europe and Islam. But let me begin with a word of personal explanation. You are accustomed for the most part to hearing from people with direct practical involvement in military and intelligence matters. I cannot offer you that. My direct involvement with military and intelligence matters ended quite a long time ago--to be precise, on 31 August 1945, when I left His Majesty's Service and returned to the university to join with colleagues in trying to cope with a six-year backlog of battle-scarred undergraduates. What I would like to try and offer you this evening is something of the lessons of history. Here I must begin with a second disavowal. It is sometimes forgotten that the content of history, the business of the historian, is the past, not the future. I remember being at an international meeting of historians in Rome during which a group of us were sitting and discussing the question: should historians attempt to predict the future? We batted this back and forth. This was in the days when the Soviet Union was still alive and well. One of our Soviet colleagues finally intervened and said, "In the Soviet Union, the most difficult task of the historian is to predict the past." I do not intend to offer any predictions of the future in Europe or the Middle East, but one thing can legitimately be expected of the historian, and that is to identify trends and processes - to look at the trends in the past, at what is continuing in the present, and therefore to see the possibilities and choices which will face us in the future. One other introductory word. A favorite theme of the historian, as I am sure you know, is periodization--dividing history into periods. Periodization is mostly a convenience of the historian for purposes of writing or teaching. Nevertheless, there are times in the long history of the human adventure when we have a real turning point, a major change--the end of an era, the beginning of a new era. I am becoming more and more convinced that we are in such an age at the present time--a change in history comparable with such events as the fall of Rome, the discovery of America, and the like. I will try to explain that. Conventionally, the modern history of the Middle East begins at the end of the 18th century, when a small French expeditionary force commanded by a young general called Napoleon Bonaparte was able to conquer Egypt and rule it with impunity. It was a terrible shock that one of the heartlands of Islam could be invaded, occupied, and ruled with virtually no effective resistance. The second shock came a few years later with the departure of the French, which was brought about not by the Egyptians nor by their suzerains, the Turks, but by a small squadron of the Royal Navy commanded by a young admiral called Horatio Nelson, who drove the French out and back to France. This is of symbolic importance. That was, as I said, at the end of the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century. From then onward, the heartlands of Islam were no longer wholly controlled by the rulers of Islam. They were under direct or indirect influence or control from outside. The dominating forces in the Islamic world were now outside forces. What shaped their lives was Western influence. What gave them choices was Western rivalries. The political game that they could play--the only one that was open to them--was to try and profit from the rivalries between the outside powers, to try to use them against one another. We see that again and again in the course of the 19th and 20th and even into the beginning of the 21st century. We see, for example, in the First World War, the Second World War, and the Cold War, how Middle Eastern governments or leaders tried to play this game with varying degrees of success. That game is now over. The era that was inaugurated by Napoleon and Nelson was terminated by Reagan and Gorbachev. The Middle East is no longer ruled or dominated by outside powers. These nations are having some difficulty adjusting to this new situation, to taking responsibility for their own actions and their consequences, and so on. But they are beginning to do so, and this change has been expressed with his usual clarity and eloquence by Osama bin Laden. We see with the ending of the era of outside domination, the reemergence of certain older trends and deeper currents in Middle Eastern history, which had been submerged or at least obscured during the centuries o
 
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Texan    Rematch is WW3   4/20/2007 12:07:28 AM
Bernard Lewis describes modern history in terms of a rematch in the 14-century war between the western world (with Christian culture) and the Muslim world.  This leads to a way of seeing the current campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan as campaigns, not wars of their own.  This is a global war which could last well over 100 years.  In this view, the Democratic Party position of withdrawing from Iraq and thinking that the war will be over is based on fantasy.  The Muslim enemy will never leave us alone.  Their goal may well be to dominate much of Europe by 2050 and to dominate the United States by 2100.
 
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sofa       7/5/2007 3:39:08 PM
Agree: This is a global war which could last well over 100 years. 
 
Yes, the Democratic Party position of withdrawing from Iraq and thinking that the war will be over is based on fantasy.  
 
Islam is engaging the West, again.
 
Yes, The Muslim enemy will never leave us alone.  Their publicly repeated/broadcast/printed and sermonized rallying cry is "death to the west", and the very public plan is population domination in Europe soon and eventually the whole world. Creating "Facts on the Ground".
 
Historical criteria for winning: Land and Babies.  Whoever owns the land and makes more babies in the next hundred years, wins.
 
We need some 'strat-egery' at this juncture.  What we have is inept buffoons in Europe and in the US. 
 
 
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jastayme3       1/24/2008 3:32:23 PM

 Aren't we giving them to much credit? It may be true that in fifty
years there will be more Moslems then native Europeans. It could equally
be true that there will be a Christian revival and most Moslems in Europe will
convert. It could equally be true that there will be an extremist reaction and most of
the Moslems in Europe will be killed in bloodthirsty pograms. Our ability to predict
fifty years ahead is limited.
And the Moslems now, are, despite the hype, not an existential threat to any Western State. They are
a threat to good order and need to be treated as such but they are effectively no different then any other
"barbarians on the frontier".
To treat them as a "World War IV" or a "Clash of Civilizations" is to flatter them. And that is bad propaganda. Has the whole Western World forgotten how to sneer?
It seems to me, many of us are making war into a fantasy almost as much as the enemy does.  The War on Terror is not a repeat of World War II(as  hawks say) or Vietnam(as  doves say).  It is a  giant  Chastising of the Savages.  It is serious enough for those who get hurt obviously. But if we treat it to seriously , we are giving the enemy what they want.

 
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