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Subject: Theoretical aircraft carrier.
ens. jack    9/5/2007 12:58:22 PM
I got the idea from Hugin 2, so blame him. Use a trimaran hull, with the outboard hulls being set forward. THe hull should allow a higher speed while stable. It would be equipped with two flight decks, diverging from the stern. Elevators would be mounted midships between the catapults. The island would also be mounted on the centreline.
 
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Herald1234    Not again!   9/5/2007 1:19:15 PM
Better men than you and me thought it through.
 
The CATOBAR monohull and the STVOTL monohull emerged as the best plane solutions for good reason.
 
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ens. jack    Such as?   9/5/2007 5:52:09 PM
Consider the Kaimalino bay. A fairly new ship using a swath type hull can land a helo on its deck at up to 25 knots. make a lot bigger ship, longer, give it arrester gear, and you have a high speed, high stability carrier.
 
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Herald1234       9/5/2007 6:37:44 PM

Consider the Kaimalino bay. A fairly new ship using a swath type hull can land a helo on its deck at up to 25 knots. make a lot bigger ship, longer, give it arrester gear, and you have a high speed, high stability carrier.


You have a twin hull five axs oitch roll and yaw flight deck that is extremely dangerous to trap upon in sea state five. at any speed.

Furthermore the hull volume for striking aircraft below to service in a cat or a tri is a joke. nor will you use deck edge lifts and if you take a below the waterline beam hit either starboard or port you can't counterflood to correct list. In fact you are 4 times as likely to lose the ship asyou can't isolate the hull breach because you don't have traverse bulkhead advantage as you do in a monohull.

As for landing at speed, what do you think the true operating speed of a US carrier is? Those bird farms are not SLOW.

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ArtyEngineer       9/5/2007 7:12:51 PM
TriMaran carriers make nice concept art (See Below)but unfortunately the laws of Hydrodynamics, Physics etc seem to keep getting in the way.  Pretty much every Naval Architecture Degree program has someone who does a large trimaran hull type vessel as their final year major project be it as a bulk carrier, container vessel of aircraft carrier and they always come to the same conclusion.  Technically feasable but why bother when current large monohulls are perfectly suitable.  any advantages in speed are outweighed by the complexity of build and cost.http://navy-matters.beedall.com/cvfimages/cvf-tri.jpg" width=300 border=0>  http://navy-matters.beedall.com/cvfimages/stac201.jpg" width=390 border=0>
 
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EW3    AE   9/5/2007 11:40:24 PM
Just sort of an historical reality check -
When I was in the USN catamarans were for a few wierdo sailors in the south Pacific.
Now cats are all over the place in civilian applications.  We have them as commuter boats in Bahstan Harbor, as whal watch boats and as commuter boats between Maine and Nova Scotia.
Time has  way of turning the impossible into the obvious. 
 
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ens. jack    thx   9/12/2007 11:47:47 AM
Much appreciated, the benefits, like huge deck area, with some work outweigh the costs
 
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Hugin2       9/12/2007 4:09:16 PM

I got the idea from Hugin 2, so blame him. Use a trimaran hull, with the outboard hulls being set forward. THe hull should allow a higher speed while stable. It would be equipped with two flight decks, diverging from the stern. Elevators would be mounted midships between the catapults. The island would also be mounted on the centreline.

Not really an aircraft carrier, but check out this proposal:
 
Trimaran, 6 Hercs, huge, nuclear propulsion optional..........interesting!
 
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Jeff_F_F       9/13/2007 10:00:46 AM
I can't help thinking that one advantage to a trimaran is that the outrigger hulls would help protect the main hull from attacks comming from the beam, whether AShM or torpedos.
 
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blacksmith       11/7/2007 11:30:58 PM
The advantage of a multi-hull goes down as the ship gets bigger.  The fast ferries are being driven way beyond the waterline speed of a 300 ft vessel, but the cat design allows for hulls with length to beam ratios as high as 15:1, which essentially bypasses the effects of the waterline speed.  That's why rowing shells are so obscenely skinny.  A 1,000 ft carrier has a pretty high waterline speed, but it's too late and I'm too tired to look up the equation.  If you build a cat or tri with short fat hulls to carry all the stuff you've inefficiently piled on top, you've lost the advantage of the multi-hulls.  Plus, multi-hulls ride poorly.  They don't ballast and consequently tend to ride on top of the swells, where a heavy ballasted displacement hull tends to damp the surface swells.  Economy of scale benefits monohull.
 
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perfectgeneral       1/9/2008 11:08:29 AM
The smaller outrigger hulls should be more central, rather than set at the stern like in those pictures.  The ship will steer better (less resistance to turning) and ride swells deeper in the water (more stable). You better check those equations if you don't think a tri-hulled carrier works better than a mono-hull at 300m+ lengths.
 
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