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Subject: China buys four sets of arresting gear, plans two new carriers
Phaid    7/28/2007 12:03:27 PM
Well at least that's what
 
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perfectgeneral       7/28/2007 8:52:10 PM

Well at least that's what

The leak has been plugged in mid sentence!

Isn't four catapults more likely to indicate one carrier with spare(s)?
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       7/28/2007 8:59:32 PM



Well at least that's what


The leak has been plugged in mid sentence!

Isn't four catapults more likely to indicate one carrier with spare(s)?


Aren't there only 4 countries who can make catapults to sell?  Kinda narrows the list of suspects, and that list includes US contractors.
 
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Herald1234       7/28/2007 9:07:09 PM
Should that be arrestor gear?

US, France, Russia,   and probably Germany, Britain, and Italy as well.

Russia might sell to the PRCs, but what western nation would sell to those bandits?

Question, was this in Jane's?

Herald



 
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gf0012-aust       7/28/2007 9:17:21 PM


Aren't there only 4 countries who can make catapults to sell?  Kinda narrows the list of suspects, and that list includes US contractors.
France makes her catapults under US license.  They do not have a license  to manufacture the latest block release though..., so I would assume that its a variation or extension of their prev license contract
 
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Phaid       7/29/2007 5:15:07 AM
Whoops.  My attempt to post failed in mid sentence, and I didn't realize anything at all had made it onto the site.

At any rate, it's not catapults that are involved (the Russians don't make those), but arresting gear.  The post was supposed to read:

Subject: China buys four sets of arresting gear, plans two new carriers

Well at least that's what is claimed in this story from RIA Novosti:

The agency cited a senior source in the Russian Navy, saying that Russia and China have an agreement to purchase four deck landing systems capable of handling heavy deck-based fighters such as the Su-33 Flanker.

Kanwa experts suggested that one landing system would be studied and copied, and another would be installed on the Varyag, a Soviet-made carrier, which was bought incomplete from Ukraine for $20 million in 1998 by a Macao tourist agency.

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Two other deck landing systems, Kanwa expert Andrei Chang said, will be installed on two new carriers China unconvincingly denies it is going to build. He said the recent purchase of a T10K, an earlier version of the Su-33, from Ukraine, demonstrates that China also plans to build its own deck-based long-range fighter.

Assuming this is true, more power to 'em.  I'd much rather see them waste their money on Russian style STOBAR carriers than successfully copying a C13 catapult and developing a truly useful carrier.
 
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Lawman       7/29/2007 8:51:39 AM
Deck landing systems does not mean catapults, it means arrestor gear, and four sets would be enough for one carrier total. Since they have already stated a desire to put the ex-Varyag to sea, it would require all of the arrestor gear purchased. I doubt they are going to try and get catapults in the near term, since they are planning to use the Russian STOBAR method. This is really not news, it is just another slow step along the road to getting the Varyag operational.
 
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Phaid       7/29/2007 10:05:47 AM

Deck landing systems does not mean catapults, it means arrestor gear, and four sets would be enough for one carrier total. Since they have already stated a desire to put the ex-Varyag to sea, it would require all of the arrestor gear purchased. I doubt they are going to try and get catapults in the near term, since they are planning to use the Russian STOBAR method. This is really not news, it is just another slow step along the road to getting the Varyag operational.


You should really read what I posted.  Four sets of arresting gear: one for the Varyag, one to study, and two to use on new carriers.

If it's not news, it's because RIA Novosti is not a reliable source, not because it only involves Varyag.
 
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Francois    Kanwa   7/31/2007 2:56:46 AM
If you get a copy of this "paper", you will soon understand that it is a fanzine (fan's magazine) and nothing else.
Now, I can take three blocks here and make the same even better.
So talk to me about experts...
These same guys are roaming the Internet these last 5 years with their "knowledge".
 
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