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Subject: Israeli Aircraft Carrier
AchtungLagg    7/16/2004 2:22:41 AM
Will israel ever get a carrier? Im not sure it needs one or if it would be more of a burden, but, i would like to hear everone's input on whether they'll get one or perhaps a helocarrier someday. You may address the issue of whether they SHOULD but first address whether they are/thought about it/will, in the future
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S-2    RE:israeli large capital ships-Rent A Carrier/Mouse That Roared   10/1/2005 5:20:12 AM
Exactly. Performed it in high school.
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Librarian    Commercial Carrier   10/3/2005 12:53:39 PM
I wonder if a better concept might be for the Israelis to think about launching any strategic raids from covert hulls, by which I mean a container or barge carrying ship, registered in Panama, owned by a Liberian holding company, chartered by a company in Singapore on behalf of a Greek concern... You could house a decent number of troops and launch helos off the deck. Such a concept would be more cost effective as the ship would only be in Israeli "commission" for a brief period. It would also have the "stealth" factor going for it, allowing the Israeli commando force to get closer to their target with less likelihood of detection.
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S-2    RE:Israeli Aircraft Carrier   10/3/2005 3:28:15 PM
"...The British carrier experience in the Med during WWII was not particulary good." Thank God that the U.S. Navy's 6th Fleet has had a sixty year run through the Med, providing us with more recent, relevant, and successful deployment experiences. We made a habit of sailing right into the Gulf of Sidra, tweaking Gaddafi's nose. While you're discussing tight confines, don't forget that we've routinely deployed directly into the Persian Gulf, as well. With the correct mix of weapons and good seamanship, most anything can be accomplished with a carrier battle group.
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Yimmy    RE:Israeli Aircraft Carrier   10/3/2005 5:19:58 PM
"With the correct mix of weapons and good seamanship, most anything can be accomplished with a carrier battle group." Indeed, and in confined waters, with a few old diesel submarines, mines and coastal artillery, almost anything can be sunk!
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S-2    RE:Israeli Aircraft Carrier-Yimmy Retort   10/3/2005 7:30:20 PM
C'est la guerre! Of course, anything can happen in confined waters, but the Persian Gulf is nothing if not coastal artillery, mines, and diesel subs. So far, with a couple of notable exceptions, so good. Yimmy, you miss my point. Common sense would say that in a high threat environ against a well trained and equipped professional force willing to give active battle, it might not be the best idea to send a battle group into harms way. Particularly if standoff is possible and effective. That's what's nice about aircraft, hence the aircraft carrier. Still, to resort to British experiences in W.W.II as an example of why it CAN'T be done is inaccurate and ignoring the obvious successful employment of modern battlegroups by the U.S. Navy into the Med for every decade since 1942, the invasion of North Africa. Oh yeah, inaccurate, how many convoys from the states and England can thank British carriers for escorting them into Africa, Malta, Alexandria, or Sicily. Given the lethal environment in which the Royal Navy was operating in the western Med during the 1940-43 timeframe, I thought they did incredibly in those confined spaces. Didn't you?
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