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Subject: US Supporting Egyptian Uprising?
earlm    1/29/2011 10:34:35 PM
According to various sources, yes. Does anyone remember a bad dictator in the Middle East who was overthrown because Jimmy Carter wanted him gone? What ever happened there? Who replaced him? What do we do when the Muslim Brotherhood controls the Suez Canal?
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       1/31/2011 11:47:43 PM
Or the dictators that Ray-gun supported in Central America?
 
I think the Muslim Brotherhood will be to greedy to screw with the canal.  And the rich Arabs (like the Saudis) as well as regional powers who are muslim (like Turkey) will not let them screw it up.
 
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YelliChink       2/3/2011 10:44:53 AM
 
 

Obama pals provoked Egypt chaos

Radicals began stirring trouble months before current crisis


Posted: February 02, 2011
8:46 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein



Read more: Obama pals provoked Egypt chaos http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=258925#ixzz1CuY6emTx
 

The website BigGovernment.com notes author Philip Weiss wrote of witnessing Ayers' and Dohrn's involvement in the debate about whether to accept Egypt's offer of allowing only a limited number of protesters to enter Gaza.

"As for the Egyptian statement that only hooligans were staying behind in Cairo ... Dohrn said that the principle of 'All or none' was a miserable one for activist politics. ... A European man in a red keffiyeh screamed at her that she was serving the fascisti. Her partner Bill Ayers gently confronted him and asked him why he was so out of control."

Dohrn later wrote on a blog that she was briefly detained at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo following protests there by her group.

"Bill and I went to the American Embassy at 10 am and asked to see the Ambassador. We were ushered into a holding pen a block away from the embassy building where we joined 35 people already there, surrounded by Egyptian soldiers," she wrote.

Protests also were staged in front of other foreign embassies as well as in a public area in central Cairo.

Eventually, the protesters accepted the Egyptian offer of allowing about 100 marchers into Gaza. The marchers indeed entered Gaza and were reportedly met on the Gaza side by Hamas' former Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh.

"We have managed to overcome the occupation plans and we will surely meet at the al-Aqsa Mosque and in Jerusalem, which will remain Arab and Islamic," Haniyeh declared.

Evans squarely blamed Israel for Egypt's refusal to allow her group to cross en masse into Gaza.

"It's obvious that the only reason for it is to make Israel happy. Israel is behind the refusal ? what other excuse could there be?"



Read more: Obama pals provoked Egypt chaos http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=258925#ixzz1CuYPAbzE
 
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YelliChink       2/3/2011 10:46:35 AM
 
 

Egypt now fears Obama a 'Manchurian President'

'They are trying to understand why he is acting against U.S. interests'


Posted: February 02, 2011
8:43 pm Eastern

© 2011 WorldNetDaily

 

Top members of the Egyptian government say they feel betrayed by President Obama, charging that he is acting against American interests.

"Mubarak's regime feels Obama is pushing the advancement of the Muslim Brotherhood against U.S. interests," said WND's Jerusalem bureau chief and senior reporter Aaron Klein. "They are genuinely trying to understand why Obama is seemingly championing the anti-regime protests."



Read more: Egypt now fears Obama a 'Manchurian President' http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=258937#ixzz1CuYqazzv
 
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CJH       2/5/2011 1:17:55 PM

Or the dictators that Ray-gun supported in Central America?

 

I think the Muslim Brotherhood will be to greedy to screw with the canal.  And the rich Arabs (like the Saudis) as well as regional powers who are muslim (like Turkey) will not let them screw it up.



As usual, what are you talking about? Reagan worked to unseat Danny Ortega did  he not?
 
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CJH       2/5/2011 1:26:35 PM

According to various sources, yes. Does anyone remember a bad dictator in the Middle East who was overthrown because Jimmy Carter wanted him gone? What ever happened there? Who replaced him? What do we do when the Muslim Brotherhood controls the Suez Canal?
I barely remember Carter's distaste for the Shah.
The liberal-left media were caught up inthe debacle too. The media initailly characterized the Islamic revolution thugs as "protesters" giving their reporting a sympathic slant. But the revolutionaries reciprocated by being very open in their contempt for western liberal media types. That scotched any further sympathetic treatment by our mainstream media.
 
What a hoot.
 
Carter must have misjudged what was going on in the same way.
 
Arrogant people are frequently also stupid people.

 
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CJH       2/5/2011 1:34:45 PM
I just can't help this.
 
But did not Obama excuse his passivity in the face of unrest in Iran over it's fraudulent elections by saying he did not want to play into the hands of the regime by appearing to interfere in Iran's domestic politics?
 
If Iran, which is openly seeking to acquire a nuclear capability gets our acquiescence in the face of its oppression, why is our government openly involving itself in Egypt's crisis? Should we not also quietly support this regime?
 
Again, arrogant people are frequently also stupid people.
 
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YelliChink       2/5/2011 3:37:09 PM
 

Assassination Attempt on Egyptian VP Kills Two Bodyguards

Fox Nation

A failed assassination attempt on Egypt's vice president in recent days left two of his bodyguards dead, U.S. sources tell Fox News, though that information has yet to be confirmed on the ground in Cairo.

Such an attempt on the life of Omar Suleiman would mark an alarming turn in the uprising against the government of President Hosni Mubarak, who only recently named Suleiman as vice president in an effort to quell the unrest and possibly line up a successor.

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs declined to address the assassination reports when asked by Fox News.

"I'm not going to ... get into that question," Gibbs said.
 
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About those Egyption bodyguards.....
 
 

The Falcon Group emphasizes diplomatic solutions over brute force, though the women?s aikido martial arts training and imposing demeanors suggest they have plenty of that, too. In November, the company?s ?lady guard? unit worked with its male guards to secure the controversial Beyoncé concert that drew scorn from Muslim clerics.

 
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YelliChink       2/5/2011 5:30:43 PM
 

Egypt unrest: US disowns envoy comment on Hosni Mubarak

 

The US state department has distanced itself from comments by a US special envoy, to the effect that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak should stay in office during a power transition.

Spokesman Philip Crowley said Frank Wisner's views were his own, and not co-ordinated with the US government.

The statement came as protesters kept up demands for Mr Mubarak to quit now.

Mr Mubarak has vowed to stand down in September. Earlier, he replaced the leadership of his ruling party.

The entire politburo including his son Gamal lost their jobs.

 
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This is it. The current US foreign policy is total insanity.
 
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Reactive       2/5/2011 8:12:57 PM
I think the chances of Egypt going the way of Iran are slight - I'm not sure how many of the commentators here have connections in that nation but there's a very healthy middle class - though a nominally Islamic nation it's certainly towards the more moderate end of the spectrum - what you should take from this is that the Middle-East is going through the process of a popular transition to democracy - one that is inevitable and necessary if it is to emerge from the era of despots sponsored by interests in the west. Demographics have always indicated this would happen sooner rather than later, with a median age in the mid-20's this is if anything only a few years sooner than would be anticipated. 
 
Those who reference the situation with the Shah omit one important fact - that the Shah himself was hated by the populace, was primarily installed and supported by US (the west) and resulted in the mass hysteria that brought about the ayatollah and what we see today, an extremist Sharia state. It is convenient to blame today's Iran on Carter but actually the problem went back a lot further, to British and American meddling and powerbroking - this inspired the hatred that would later enable islamofascists to take power.
 
In Egypt it's similarly convenient to suggest that Mubarak is a good thing for the west, insofar as he is relatively neutral towards israel, what you miss with this viewpoint is that he is also widely hated in his own nation - he is essentially still in power by virtue of keeping the nation on a permanent  "state of emergency". If the suggestion by some posting above is that the Islamic parties are behind or a key part of these protests you're frankly completely wrong - they form a tiny part and for the most part are being dragged along on the coattails of the middle class educated youth, which has grown sick of tolerating  the severe lack of opportunity that Mubarak's regime has fostered. If the US was to come out strongly in support of Mubarak right now as is being suggested by Israel, he would have every chance of actually solidifying opposition and hastening his fall - the worst thing the US can do right now is to get too involved either way - the US will be damned if they do and damned if they don't - and will make it harder for moderate reformists to be at the forefront.
 
Not to sound glib but there is also surely an ideological importance in practising what we preach - hypocrisy in middle-east policy is a key factor in alienating moderates and feeding the fires of extremism - the middle classes secularists in Egypt are established and powerful enough to make a transition to a turkey-like democracy - by opposing them you simply increase the chances that fermented anger becomes a protest vote - then you have done two things - repressed the desire for moderates in the middle east to reform their nations into functioning democracies, and ensured that what could have been a key regional ally will turn into a pain in the arse.George Bush strongly recognised the key importance of political reform in the mid-east to future western interests, if you act against that movement, you will find yourself on the losing side across the whole region. 
 
Obama's mistake here has been to flip flop with the run of the media - the only safe US policy in this position is to be neutral and strongly resist the urge to get involved in the process of reform - the conflicting messages that have been emerging from that useless White House spokesman have given both the protesters AND the regime as it stands the idea that the US is simply supporting whichever side looks strongest at any given point - the asssertive "we expect" "we want" statements from Hilldog are being roundly ignored on both sides of the argument and in the case of the Egyptian Media (still safely state-controlled)  are being used against the protestors themselves.
 
It's typical that this well-anticipated process of popular unrest in the mid-east is being associated by wingnuts with extremist islamists, they make up a small percentage of this protest movement - right up until the point that ill-judged "influence" is used to foster exactly the anti-western sentiment that will work against us all in the long-run.
 
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YelliChink       2/5/2011 11:24:26 PM

I think the chances of Egypt going the way of Iran are slight - I'm not sure how many of the commentators here have connections in that nation but there's a very healthy middle class - though a nominally Islamic nation it's certainly towards the more moderate end of the spectrum - what you should take from this is that the Middle-East is going through the process of a popular transition to democracy - one that is inevitable and necessary if it is to emerge from the era of despots sponsored by interests in the west. Demographics have always indicated this would happen sooner rather than later, with a median age in the mid-20's this is if anything only a few years sooner than would be anticipated. 

 
 

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You are talking about a nation which 90% of female population have genital mutilation, despite Mubarak family's effort to advocate otherwise.
 
You are talking about a nation of muslims which:
 

54%: Believe men and women should be segregated in the workplace

82%: Believe adulterers should be stoned

84%: Believe apostates from Islam should face the death penalty

77%: Believe thieves should be flogged or have their hands cut off
 
That doesn't sound very moderate to me.
 
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