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Subject: Shades of the Mark of the Beast
CJH    1/15/2011 8:59:39 PM
EDITORIAL: Obama's Internet passport - Administration wants national ID card for online commentary Revelation 13:16,1716 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[f] the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
 
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warpig       1/15/2011 10:13:48 PM
I don't care if this *initial* implementation would be voluntary, this idea is revolting and *NO* American should want anything to do with it.  These deconstructionist "progressive" fascists need to be run out of town on a rail.
 
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CJH       1/16/2011 12:28:06 PM
It's coming. If not from the Big O then from someone after him.
 
Ours is an increasingly integrated world.
 
The world "governance" people such as Obama seem to have, with the connivance of the MSM, the ability to change the conversation at will in America. This is what we are now witnessing with the celebrity-ization of a shooting (Which is a common and un-noticed occurrence in many of our neighborhoods).
 
This is an example of how the left will maneuver society into a state of passive submission to its will.
 
Evil is going to intensify as the world progresses towards its appointment with God's judgement in the "Day of the Lord".
 
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YelliChink       1/16/2011 4:38:35 PM
What the heck are they thinking? National ID for internet commerce? Who the f taught them this abominable idea? Commies in Beijing? Oh wait, they probably did so......
 
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norden       1/17/2011 2:35:22 AM
yeah its getting worse for sure. I unfortunately have come the conclusion as of late that i am no longer part of our two party system. I have always been red due to a sliver of sanity I still possess. I do think that our system is set up now to polarize and encourage petty squabbles. While we are arguing over a salt lick they are stealing the entire herd of cattle. Its amazing what we have lost and they keep piling on more taxes. The richest and largest segment of the population hits retirement age and now wealth disappears. As long as we can finance the new I-phone for two years and get a 60 inch hdtv the sheep will remain sedated 
 
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doggtag       1/17/2011 3:03:19 PM

....... I do think that our system is set up now to polarize and encourage petty squabbles. While we are arguing over a salt lick they are stealing the entire herd of cattle. Its amazing what we have lost and they keep piling on more taxes. The richest and largest segment of the population hits retirement age and now wealth disappears. As long as we can finance the new I-phone for two years and get a 60 inch hdtv the sheep will remain sedated 
That's the way it's heading: a gradual dumbing-down of America to the point that people have become little more than a herdable commodity.
We ARE consumers, after all.
 
Problem is, who really then (as the general populace is ever made more stupid ignorant of how society really functions from the top down),
who really is left then who is fit to decide what's in the majority's best interests?
A modern-day equivalent of aristocracy?
But if that's the case, where an elect few (more self-appointed than actually called upon by the masses to "serve" them) is decided to be the fittest to be judge, jury, and executioners over society and how mankind has shaped itself to function,
then our ideals of democracy are lost, and we are no longer a society where the needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few,
but rather,
we have a society where the wants of the few (self-appointed chosen ones) outweighs the needs of the many,
and we of the many (the common man, the working class, middle- and lower-class America, even...) are told it's for our own good if we just accept it and let someone else do all the "big people thinking" for us.
 
Who then,
and when,
is it time to finally draw lines where we're no longer going to accept being shackled to someone else's decisions?
 
Freedom of choice? Freedom from want?
Really?
Seems anymore, only so long as that choice is someone else's, and what we "want" is what someone else tells us is what we are supposed to want...
 
Obviously the course of action that Loughner (and a few others of questionable intent that we conveniently label as "madmen") took wasn't the right means to go about affecting positive change (and who again is to determine what constitutes positive change, and what negative? Those self-appointed select few again?).
 
But then, who among us, fit to determine the tyrants?
 
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed.
The part which is wrong will be discontented,
in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive.
If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy,
the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties,
if its rulers are not warned from time to time,
that this people preserve the spirit of resistance?
Let them take arms.
The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them.
What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson. 
Anarchist? Madman? Threat to society?
 
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CJH       1/17/2011 9:46:29 PM
Reportedley, this was in a letter to a William S. Smith written in 1787. The present constitution was adopted in 1789. I have read that the states under the Articles of  Confederation were more purely democracies than the national government of the constitution which was a republic.
 
I wonder whether, well after the constitution was adopted, Thomas Jefferson would have made the same statement. The framers went to great pains to render the republic failsafe.
 
Of course, since I can no longer believe that that republic exists I guess I can't very well argue that its existence precludes the necessity of the remedy Jefferson specifies in this letter.
 
The framers reportedly had read and were inspired by Polybius in designing a republican system. If our republic is dead it may well have been replaced by a democracy more akin to those which pre-existed the constitution.
 
This quote (It was made with ancient Rome in mind) evokes a sense of the class warfare methods we are so familiar and one may suppose that mob rule is not just that but is rule by unscrupulous people who manipulate the people as some may be able to through our MSM.
 
"When a state has weathered many great perils and subsequently attains to supremacy and uncontested sovereignty, it is evident that under the influence of long established prosperity, life will become more extravagant and the citizens more fierce in their rivalry regarding office and other objects than they ought to be. 6 As these defects go on increasing, the beginning of the change for the worse will be due to love of office and the disgrace entailed by obscurity, as well as to extravagance and purse-proud display; 7 and for this change the populace will be responsible when on the one hand they think they have a grievance against certain people who have shown themselves grasping, and when, on the other hand, they are puffed up by the flattery of others who aspire to office. 8 For now, stirred to fury and swayed by passion in all their counsels, they will no longer consent to obey or even to be the equals of the ruling caste, but will demand the lion's share for themselves. 9 When this happens, the state will change its name to the finest sounding of all, freedom and democracy, but will change its nature to the worst thing of all, mob-rule. "
 
 
 
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norden       1/18/2011 9:30:03 PM
Here ya go. Tell me if this hits home. Please watch. 

 
 
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reefdiver       1/19/2011 10:51:07 AM
A National ID of any sort may matter little.  IIRC, under new laws for example, all electronic financial transactions for business must all be reported to the government by financial institutions - all the time. This appears to be "search and seizure" without cause or reason and without a warrant, yet no one is protesting.
One can only wonder if the same for personal records cannot be far behind. As paper checks will likely disappear in the next few years all your financial transactions will then be reported to the government:  atm, bank, stock, pay, sales, purchase - you name it.  If this happens, the government can track everything you do anyway. Such a National ID become insignificant.
 
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