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Subject: California vs Arizona, or, how boycotts can go all the way to the federal gov...
doggtag    5/20/2010 8:44:56 AM
Interesting. Surprising none one else here has said anything of this so far... ( http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2010/05/19/20100519arizona-immigration-electricity-regulator-threatens-power-supply-los-angeles.html ) (yeah, you can find it anywhere on the big-name news channels also, if you prefer) Arizona's immigration law drew more international headlines Wednesday when an electric-utility regulator responded to Los Angeles' boycott efforts by suggesting it stop using power from Arizona. The response, which Los Angeles considered a threat to its power supply, was picked up by television stations, newspapers, online versions of magazines and a variety of pundits, who painted vivid pictures of a metropolitan city in the dark after having the plug pulled from its power source. Arizona provides about a quarter of the Southern California city's power. "If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation," Arizona Corporation Commissioner Gary Pierce said in a Tuesday letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. Pierce, who has no authority to cut off the city's electricity, said that he did not intend his letter as a literal threat but that he wrote it to illustrate the close ties between Los Angeles and Arizona and the trouble that a boycott could cause in both places. "A boycott is an unfriendly gesture," he said Wednesday. "Where do you expect that to go?" Los Angeles is among a number of cities and organizations that have called for boycotts of Arizona until the state repeals its new immigration law. The law, which goes into effect July 29, makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally. It states that an officer engaged in a lawful stop, detention or arrest shall, when practicable, ask about a person's legal status when reasonable suspicion exists that the person is in the U.S. illegally. Pierce, who is running for re-election, said in his letter that if the Los Angeles City Council "lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona's economy." Cutting off power to Los Angeles would be no simple task. Federal regulators oversee the power grid. And there's the matter of California utilities actually owning a share of some of the Arizona plants that provide the state power. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, Southern California Edison and other California utilities have an ownership stake in the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station west of Phoenix and in the Navajo Generating Station, a coal plant in northern Arizona. Because most national media have no knowledge of the power plants' ownership structure, and because Pierce's letter didn't explain it, most media took the letter as a direct threat to black out the city. "A quarter of America's second-largest city could be plunged into darkness," wrote the Daily Telegraph of London. Bloggers, critics and experts quickly wondered where such a debate would lead next. Fights over water supplies? Gasoline that Arizona imports from California? Shipping cargo at the Port of Los Angeles? Villaraigosa and Los Angeles officials took the letter as a threat. "The mayor stands strongly behind the City Council on this issue and will not respond to threats from a state which has isolated itself from the America that values freedom, liberty and basic civil rights," he said in a prepared statement. Councilman Ed Reyes, who supported the Arizona boycott, said the letter was "hostile." Los Angeles Councilman Greig Smith was the only one to oppose the Arizona boycott. "(Pierce's) letter was wrong, but I understand what I think he's trying to say is that this isn't going to accomplish anything," Smith said. "I congratulate him on his effort." But he said the letter is unlikely to change any minds in Los Angeles. Corporation Commission Chairwoman Kris Mayes said that she is frustrated with the LA boycott but that Pierce's letter does not reflect the stance of the commission. "It would be pretty unfortunate, and equally ridiculous, if California were to counter-threaten to cut off our gas supplies," Mayes said. Pierce said he hopes the attention causes Los Angeles and other cities boycotting to back off their efforts once they realize the cities' ties to Arizona. "It's almost like two communities in Arizona deciding to boycott each other," he said. "We're awful close and interrelate so much, I just think it's an impractical solution and not very well thought out (by Los Angeles). Really, guys, let's cool it and move on." Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2010/05/19/20100519arizona-immigration-electricity-regulator-threatens-power-supply-los-angeles.html#ixzz0oTL8wcHz ---
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Troops not required....   5/20/2010 9:45:08 AM
"Would we need to send in the federal troops to overwatch the Arizona powerplants so it doesn't happen?"
They'll simply nationalize the generation of power in the region. Taking the rightful ownership of the utilities from the stock and bond holders and grant new ownership of those assets to administration regime friendly Unions, Enviro-wackos, and perhaps the illegal aliens themselves in order to make right Arizona's blatant defiance.....
 
 
What? you don't think that could happen? Think again.
 
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buzzard       5/20/2010 10:29:58 AM
What? you don't think that could happen? Think again.
 
 After watching the GM and Chrysler debacles, how could anyone not expect it to happen?
 
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PlatypusMaximus       5/20/2010 2:04:04 PM
Arizona isn't threatening California. Arizona's threat is an elementary civics lesson for California.
Boycott Arizona? Are you sure? Are your convictions strong enough to give up a dollar?
Didn't think so.
 
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PlatypusMaximus       5/20/2010 2:14:45 PM
If they can make you buy insurance, they can make you be heterosexual...they can make you pay to power the tanning bed of a pillowbiting meth-head...they can make you provide papers to buy ice cream for your children.
 
In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society!
 
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pti       5/20/2010 5:24:52 PM
You got to love the Coke Head Elect who is the most anti American corrupt president ever to reside in the oval office giving his corrupt anti American twin from the mexican government a pedestal on the White House lawn to spew his anti American bile.
 
 
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Never have the enemies of America had a more powerful, sympathetic, and willing ally then barack hussein obama and his marxist regime
 
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doggtag       5/21/2010 7:29:48 AM

Never have the enemies of America had a more powerful, sympathetic, and willing ally then barack hussein obama and his marxist regime

And to think: people were soooo afraid of Bush.

 
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PlatypusMaximus    City of Aholes   6/7/2010 9:05:21 AM
How does Los Angeles look itself in the mirror every morning?
 
Police rely on injunctions to curb gang activity

 (AP) ? June 2, 2010

LOS ANGELES — College student Christian Rodriguez was heading home from his girlfriend's house when two police officers threw him face-down on the ground, clapped him in handcuffs and arrested him.

His offense? Being out past 10 p.m.

Police said the 20-year-old is a gang member and subject to a sweeping court injunction covering the housing project where he lives. The injunction lets police enforce a nighttime curfew and arrest people for hanging out in public and wearing gang colors.

The soft-spoken Rodriguez has no adult criminal record and claims he was never in a gang, though police maintain he was an active member in his early teens. Like dozens of other young men who dispute their gang label, he faces an uphill task trying to clear his name...

 
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AThousandYoung       6/7/2010 11:56:24 PM
Please note the part where it is pointed out that California owns said power stations.
 
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EvilFishy       6/8/2010 12:46:33 AM

I find the irony here delicious.

This is the sole and specific reason the founders put the Interstate Commerce Clause into the US Constitution (one of the prime reasons for the Philadelphia Convention to begin with) and the Federal Government does nothing.

Of all the times the USG has stripped rights away from US citizens under false premises relying upon the false interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause and here they have the opportunity to do their f***ing job and they do nothing.

Of course people are happy they do nothing because with these criminals at the helm the thought of them doing something is far worse than nothing.

I find that thought ironic, humorous, and disturbing all in one thought.

 
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Jimme       6/8/2010 1:56:29 AM


How does Los Angeles look itself in the mirror every morning?


 

Police rely on injunctions to curb gang activity

 (AP) ? June 2, 2010


LOS ANGELES — College student Christian Rodriguez was heading home from his girlfriend's house when two police officers threw him face-down on the ground, clapped him in handcuffs and arrested him.


His offense? Being out past 10 p.m.


Police said the 20-year-old is a gang member and subject to a sweeping court injunction covering the housing project where he lives. The injunction lets police enforce a nighttime curfew and arrest people for hanging out in public and wearing gang colors.


The soft-spoken Rodriguez has no adult criminal record and claims he was never in a gang, though police maintain he was an active member in his early teens. Like dozens of other young men who dispute their gang label, he faces an uphill task trying to clear his name...


How is that even Legal?   Courts always strike down curfews on adults as unconstitutional, which it is , unless its a state of emergency. Not only that, here you have some one being arrested who committed no crime, and has no record of ever doing so either. To top it off they are labeling him a gang member for things they say he may have done as kid for which they have no record of but even if they did would be legally sealed anyways?
 
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