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Subject: How to help Mexico fight drug gangs from the US
YelliChink    5/3/2010 12:23:10 PM
1. Shutdown the border. 2. Actively catch and intern illegal aliens (only deport them if they are here just for works and involved no illegal activity other than crossing the border illegally). 3. Send National Guards backed by US Army units. 4. Build 5-layer barrier with barbed wires, mixed with razor coil, barbed fences. 5. Mine in between barbed wire barriers with anti-personnel mines. 6. Hire engineers from Germany and Israel to design and duplicate die Mauer and the Westbank Wall alone the border, behind the barriers. 7. Build bunkers and watch towers. Chinese didn't build the Great Wall for no reason, and the reason they keep building it through history is because it worked. Same with Hardin's wall that seperate Scotland to England, and Roman Empire's defense system around Rhine. It makes much more sense than doing the same thing in South Korea, where the border is much better secured.
 
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YelliChink       5/3/2010 12:26:29 PM
I forgot to mention mounted M2/M240B, cheap made-in-China IR and motion sensors and good ole search lights.
 
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DarthAmerica    @Yellichink   5/3/2010 1:12:06 PM
Definitely a serious issue. This administration like all before it are doing a piss poor job of securing us from the true existential threat. I consider the threat from Mexico to be greater than even AQ or North Korea. If we don't shut it down we will be in big trouble.

-DA

 
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buzzard       5/3/2010 1:19:47 PM
Gotta agree with DA here. If we don't control that southern border, we can't claim to have a serious approach against terrorism or much of any national security issue.
 
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DarthAmerica       5/3/2010 1:45:50 PM

Buzzard,

I'm so fed up with the issue of immigration control and SOUTHERN BORDER security that I would almost as a knee jerk reaction oppose ANY dollars allocated to DoD operations until some kind of coherent strategy for securing the border is put in effect. Mexicans are shooting at us down there! It's impossible to discuss this issue without dealing with the corruption issues that exist on BOTH sides of the border and in our case, bi-partisan. Corporate America and their political allies are making a fortune off of exploiting the cheap labor and I suspect drugs as well. It's hard to discuss the later without getting into conspiracy theories so I'll just leave it at that since I don't feel informed enough on that to comment accurately.

As a security professional and American who loves his country though I will say that at a minimum Mexico is a failed state and in civil war/insurgency. That violence kills Americans and that is unacceptable. Moreover, you cannot import a slave labor force by the millions who have Mexican nationalist loyaties and expect national security without instituting policy that encroaches on the rights of American citizens. I think the JDAMs, Hellfires and AC-130's should be laying waste to the drug armies and gangs there. SOCOM should have at least as much involvement in Mexico as it does in places like Pakistan. Our companies should be strictly prohibited from established slave labor down there as well. There are plenty of alternatives to Mexicans if they choose to live in a drug laced warzone.

However, the solution to these problems start on our side of the border and involve Law Enforcement action IMHO.

-DA

 
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YelliChink       5/3/2010 2:19:37 PM

Definitely a serious issue. This administration like all before it are doing a piss poor job of securing us from the true existential threat. I consider the threat from Mexico to be greater than even AQ or North Korea. If we don't shut it down we will be in big trouble.

-DA




At least we can still agree on something about this. I was pretty pissed, even as a foreigner, when I learned that GWB's admin jailed Border Patrol agents, who are Americans of some Hispanic origin, for doing their jobs too well. McCain backed GWB's CIR bill and now he's against similar bill from Obama. Both sides make nonsense on the border issue.
 
Nonsense unless you happen to be on the receiving side of money from Mexican government and people who benefit from illegal human and controlled substance smuggling business.
 
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YelliChink       12/13/2010 1:42:40 PM
 

Trusted Traveler Program Lets Mexicans Skip Airport Security

Last Updated: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 1:30pm

 

As violent drug cartels take over Mexico and expand their criminal enterprises north, the United States has signed a ?trusted traveler? agreement that allows pre-screened Mexican airline passengers to bypass lengthy airport security checkpoints.

The foreigners will get ?trusted traveler cards? with fingerprints and other biometric data and they must answer customs declarations questions on touch-screen kiosks before leaving airport inspection areas. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano claims it?s a way to enhance information sharing and mutual security in the face of ?ever-evolving, multinational threats.?

About 84 million Mexicans are expected to qualify for the trusted traveler program, according to Mexico?s Interior Ministry Secretary, who signed the agreement on behalf of his country this week. Celebrating the festive occasion, the Mexican government official assured that the new accord will facilitate the U.S. entry of business travelers and tourists who are key factors in economic development, growth of trade and cultural exchange.

Mexicans will get the perk through the U.S. government?s Global Entry Program, which allows participants to obtain security clearance by presenting a ?machine-readable? passport or resident card at airport ?Global Entry kiosks.? The machines issue the foreign travelers a transaction receipt and directions to baggage claim and the exit into the United States. Applying is easy. Candidates fill out an online application, provide valid identification and answer a few questions from a Customs and Border Protection officer.

While Napolitano was in Mexico finalizing the trusted traveler agreement this week, she also took the opportunity to sign a ?letter of intent? to develop a plan for protecting immigrants from criminal attacks as they cross the border—illegally—into the U.S. Mexican officials have long complained that American law enforcement officers stand by as illegal immigrants are robbed, killed or violently beaten. Napolitano has committed to reducing the risk to life and security of migrants, according to the Mexican minister.

 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       12/13/2010 9:47:21 PM
The Great Wall didn't work that well, everyone went around it and later on started to go over it (seige towers).  Modern technology and explosives makes walls fairly useless most of the time.  What is needed is fear.
 
National Guard units need to go after the drug gang hideouts in the desert and just exterminate them.  They aren't illegal aliens, they are uniformed combatants, armed and in our land without our permission.  Wiping out a few of those hideouts and their  occupants sends a much stronger message than a wall.
 
Also, next time there is an incursion by drug gang vehicles, our units should move in behind them and cut them off from returning, then mow them down.  Again, overwhelming firepower and bodies is the only language the gangs understand.
 
This wouldn't be a bad scenario for military robots and drones to participate in. Any vehicle coming over the boarder that is not on a highway or has a US military, LEO or BP beacon gets smoked.
 
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