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Subject: Michael Moore's: capitalism a love story
usajoe1    9/26/2009 8:18:12 PM
I want to know if any one here is going to watch this hypocritical, socilaist, POS! human beings new movie.
 
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usajoe1       10/7/2009 10:27:45 PM
I know quite a few people who admire Lenin, Stalin, Mao and every leftist dictator you can name all the way to Hugo Chavez. Not surprisingly, they are also very anti-Israel and anti-US in general. Some of these are actually quite smart and knowledgeable, but, instead of recognizing all the atrocity and catastrophe by those "great leader's" policy, they see body count as mere "sacrifice" or "mistake in execution," which is justifiable for greater social justice against capitalist pigs and Nazi-like Zionists.
 
It sounds like one of my History professors a while back. Me and him argued all day in class, and I ended up getting a B in the class, the only B I ever got in History.
 
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YelliChink       10/7/2009 11:11:18 PM


It sounds like one of my History professors a while back. Me and him argued all day in class, and I ended up getting a B in the class, the only B I ever got in History.



I still do not quite understand how human study in the US, such as politics, economics, history, law and especially sociology,  is taken over by radical leftists. This didn't happen in Taiwan and people there make fun of feminists. When and how it started which radical leftists in academia were able to promote one another? Why counter points to leftist ideas are misrepresented and often persecuted? I really want to believe it's all KGB's conspiracy, but there are too many people and too many thoughts out there, so that it's impossible they can create the situation by mere propaganda machine. Certain people in academia must embrace the leftist ideology and gradually take it over, which means that they made themselves useful idiots. Even though, they still have to sweep away their colleagues of opposing views. Somehow that happened. Sadly, you have at least two generations of young scholars readying themselves for leftist brainwashing today. I guess the only way to reverse this pathetic situation is for they to have a taste of what they wish for. In the end, only the most cynical and unethical thugs win power in socialist dictatorship, then they will be sent to meet the firing squad before they even know what they have done wrong: being a sellout to freedom.
 
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usajoe1       10/8/2009 2:25:41 AM
 still do not quite understand how human study in the US, such as politics, economics, history, law and especially sociology,  is taken over by radical leftists. This didn't happen in Taiwan and people there make fun of feminists. When and how it started which radical leftists in academia were able to promote one another? Why counter points to leftist ideas are misrepresented and often persecuted? I really want to believe it's all KGB's conspiracy, but there are too many people and too many thoughts out there, so that it's impossible they can create the situation by mere propaganda machine. Certain people in academia must embrace the leftist ideology and gradually take it over, which means that they made themselves useful idiots. Even though, they still have to sweep away their colleagues of opposing views. Somehow that happened. Sadly, you have at least two generations of young scholars readying themselves for leftist brainwashing today. I guess the only way to reverse this pathetic situation is for they to have a taste of what they wish for. In the end, only the most cynical and unethical thugs win power in socialist dictatorship, then they will be sent to meet the firing squad before they even know what they have done wrong: being a sellout to freedom.
 
Every History  professors I had was to the left but the one I was talking about earlier was a true communist and America hater. This guy made comments like how great Mao and Castro were, and when I talked about how many people those POS killed he would just shrug it off and start talking about how many people we killed when we came to this country.
Every day he talked about how the rich were screwing the poor and why we need to tax the rich more. I remember one day when we were talking about the Carter and Reagan administrations, he made Carter look like a hero and the American people the villains, "because we were too greedy". He made Reagan look like the failed president. All he talked about with regards to Reagan was the Iran contra scandal and the deficit. This guy did not even try to hide his ideology, he is a card carrying commie who hates our founding fathers, and teaching history to our youth.
 
 
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sentinel28a       10/8/2009 2:59:18 AM
Which is exactly the reason why I became a history prof...because I got sick of listening to this tripe.
 
When I was in college, nearly all of my professors were liberals, but the majority were of the "we'll agree to disagree" school.  There was a few cheap shots at Bush and Reagan, but generally speaking they didn't try to push their politics; most of that talk came at the bar after a couple of beers.  Heck, one of my profs was an avowed Marxist, but he encouraged us to look at other paths, because he found Marx himself an elitist bastard and inherently flawed.  He said that as a Marxist, he was supposed to hate capitalism, but he sure liked being paid $100,000 a year, too.  So at least he was honest!
 
I've talked before about a good friend of mine who teaches in China.  He absolutely adores Mao, and gets very uncomfortable talking about the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, and Tiananamen Square.  He does talk about them, though, even if he tries to frame it as Mao's overenthusiastic followers rather than the man himself.
 
One of the few conservative profs I had was an Iranian expat.  He had a very low opinion of Islamic fundamentalism, and had no problem with Israel's existence.  When we covered the Six-Day War, he actually brought in a former Israeli paratrooper and a "reformed" (which I questioned then, and still do today) PLO fighter to give us both sides of the conflict.  One of the best classes I ever took.
 
Academia got taken over back in the 1960s.  You had a lot of young men (and women) who absorbed the counterculture era--people similar to Ayres, though not as violent--who were graduating from college and applying for teaching positions.  The professors were at that time mostly of the WWII generation, and many of them figured that history in particular was starting to stagnate, so why not bring in some new blood?  Unfortunately, the new blood soon ran all but their own particular brand of history out, or the older profs retired.  Presto: academia is dominated by liberals.  Not a KGB conspiracy, just a bunch of baby-boomer hippies who have been unable to let go of the 1960s.  Luckily, they too are starting to reach retirement age, making room for guys like me.  And no, I don't push my conservativism.  I present the facts and let my students decide.  Most of the time I'm fighting apathy, not leftists.
 
To show you just how bad things have gotten, though...I did a lecture a few weeks back on the Republicans during Reconstruction.  After class, one of my students came up and said, "Wow! I didn't realize the Republicans were so great back then!"
 
"How's that?" I asked.
 
"Well, I always thought they were all racists!  I thought they didn't like black people.  I couldn't believe it when you said Lincoln was a Republican."
 
Yeah, it's those days when I can see why my old college profs were also mostly alcoholics.
 
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Hugo    Another review   10/8/2009 4:27:50 AM
My writing is a byproduct of my investment process, I think through writing. I don?t do movie reviews and don?t watch Michael Moore?s movies. A Denver Post reporter invited me to a private showing of Moore?s latest flick last Monday Capitalism: a Love Story, it stirred up a lot of memories and I recently finished reading Atlas Shrugged which had a great impact on me. A combination of all those things motivated me to write this.

In the 1980s, in Soviet Russia, a few times a year, my class walked to a movie theater, where we were shown a documentary. Attendance was mandatory. The documentaries were different but the themes were the same: to the accompaniment of patriotic music, we learned about the righteousness of socialism, the greatness of Mother Russia, and the intelligence and foresight of our great leaders. To demonstrate how good we had it, we were shown images of ?decaying? American capitalism. Of course, capitalism did not get the benefit of patriotic music as we were shown the poverty-stricken homeless, the KKK burning crosses and lynching blacks, and Russia-hating capitalists being poisoned by hamburgers (of course, later I learned this part about hamburgers was not a complete lie).

Past weekend Americans voluntarily spent a few million dollars to see a documentary by Michael Moore ? Capitalism: the Love Story. But don?t kid yourself, this piece of work is not a documentary, it lacks objectivity and has no intention of seeking the truth, and it is anti-American and anti-capitalist propaganda. Mr. Moore is a talented propagandist; in Soviet Russia this documentary would have gotten him a medal and elevated him into a state hero.

A successful propaganda initiative has to have three elements: (1) to influence attitudes, instead of providing information, (2) to selectively present facts (i.e., lying by omission) to achieve a certain synthesis, and (3) to get an emotional rather than a rational response.

There is little information in this movie. Moore spends the bulk of the film going through our country?s trash and presenting it as the main course. For instance, a corrupt judge sentences innocent teenagers to spend months at a privately owned (i.e., for-profit, nongovernmental) youth-correction facility, while the judge is getting kickbacks from the facility owners. Moore interviews these poor teenagers, and we feel bad for them, as we should. We feel angry. Moore directs this anger towards capitalism (i.e., private enterprise): it is rotten and corrupt. Of course, the fact that corruption and bribery are the rare exception in the US, not the rule (as in Russia), is never mentioned.

Really, if you want to make a successful propaganda movie, you must evoke emotion and rightly or wrongly direct it at your subject of hate ? in Moore?s case, capitalism. Moore shows families being evicted from their houses, in which some of them have lived for twenty years, and some of them have kids. Again, we feel bad for these people, we feel their pain, and we want to help. We are angry. That?s what Moore wants. But should we be angry at the bank that has given these people a loan? Or perhaps we should accept the fact that some people will make bad financial decisions, and they?ll pay a price. It is the easiest thing to blame a bank, or capitalism ? they are not very popular today.

But let?s do the impossible, let?s humanize a bank. Let?s say you and I and a few friends put our life savings together and start a bank. We take deposits and make loans. Should we ?forgive? a loan on a house to a person who overextended, made bad financial choices, or found himself facing hardship and unable to earn his way out of it? If we do enough of this ?forgiving? we?ll go bankrupt, our kids won?t go to college, and we?ll need to ask someone else to ?forgive? us for the loans on our houses, credit cards, etc. I am not even mentioning our depositors losing their money (and the FDIC ? the taxpayer ? bailing them out) and our employees losing their jobs.

So the heartless bank ? you and I and a few friends ? have to make a choice between sacrificing the well-being of our families for the sake of strangers. What would you do? See, this point is too rational and lacks the sensationalism of good propaganda; and thus Mr. Moore, who I am sure thought of it, omitted it.

Moore attacks BofA for not resorting to charity and not extending a loan to a factory in Michigan, even after BofA received TARP money. The same logic I just went through applies to the huge, unpopular BofA. Should BofA have thrown away money in a loan to the factory, knowing that the factory would not be able to repay it? Is this not what got us into the present problem in the first place?

Banks and Wall Street in general played a role in today?s crisis, but they were just one of many responsible players. Consumers in pursuit o
 
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usajoe1       10/8/2009 5:17:57 AM
Every time a far left loon talks about how great socialism/communism is, I point to the Koreas. Here is a great example because both countries are about the same size, and they are the same people. Capitalist S. Korea is one of the most advanced industrialized countries in the world, and the communist north is one of the poorest countries in the world, who still can't feed all of its people.
 
There is also the little fact about the worlds greatest socialist experiment, the USSR not even lasting 100 years.
The great success of Cuba and Vietnam, and the great Mao Zedong, who killed millions of Chinese and set back their economy so much that it took them decades just to crawl out of that idiots mistakes.
 
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xylene       10/8/2009 4:14:27 PM
I can't believe you guys hating on Michael Moore so much. For all you know he may save your life. You may need a blood transfusion and he may sign up to have his blood injected directly into your veins. Or his saliva and sweat could save you from dying of thirst in the Sahara desert.
 
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YelliChink       10/8/2009 4:39:46 PM

I can't believe you guys hating on Michael Moore so much. For all you know he may save your life. You may need a blood transfusion and he may sign up to have his blood injected directly into your veins. Or his saliva and sweat could save you from dying of thirst in the Sahara desert.

Very good joke you have made. Just in case you are serious:
 
1. The cholesterol level in Mr. Moore's blood is dangerously high. Transfusion with Michael Moore's blood is probably a lethal process.
 
2. Why do you want to go to Sahara desert in the first place? And, if you must go, why don't you choose to be with expert survivalists, instead of an overweight propagandist film maker?
 
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sentinel28a       10/8/2009 6:58:45 PM
More to eat if you have to resort to cannibalism?
 
BTW, Xylene, thanks for mentioning Michael Moore and "sweat" and "saliva" in the same sentence.  I had a hamburger for lunch, and suddenly I do feel poisoned...
 
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