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Subject: if China invaded North America what would happen?
kuznet    4/25/2004 11:50:11 PM
Seriously I know this is ludicrous, since China does not have the logistical capability let alone the transport assets. But let's assume they did what do y'all think would be the result on both sides. I mean invasion of USA/Canada.. Remember for how bad the PRC is they still have 20+ nukes longrange, over 200+ su27/30's. X2 Sovremenny's with sunburn missles that are designed to hit naval assets. Lastly they have all those cheap ming subs+ few kilos to create havoc in the Taiwan corrider for us CVN fleets. No doubt the USA could mount massive destruction with the press of a few buttons, let alone the navy and usaf also. I see massive casualties if nukes were launched on Bejing, Shanghai and all other major centres. Same goes for LA,and all the US west coast to Vancouver BC.. crazy thought if USA defends Taiwan this could happen? ^_* I hope this science fiction never materializes. NYET btw I am in North America..
 
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happyman77    RE:This is a rather unpleasant topic ...   5/6/2004 9:37:10 AM
What would other nations do? Japan, Russia, Canada, Mexico? Nato? Wouldn't a invasion of the U.S. trigger mutual defence treaties? A invasion of North American wouldn't be taken lightly....I doubt the U.S. would be fighting alone.
 
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doggtag    China attacks US....   5/6/2004 6:30:04 PM
...and everyone in the US who refused to surrender their shotguns and deer rifles to the government would remind China why our forefathers gave us the Second Ammendment.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    RE:This is a rather unpleasant topic ...   5/7/2004 3:30:54 AM
The more stuff like Iraq that we do the less likely people will rush to our defense.
 
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On Watch    Unpleasant topic--sounds good to me 'grouch!   5/7/2004 11:15:55 AM
>>The more stuff like Iraq that we do the less likely people will rush to our defense--NudNick<< The more stuff like Iraq that we do, the LESS likely we'd NEED "people" to rush to our defense! You almost got it right Nudnick, keep trying! On Watch
 
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sooner    RE:if China invaded North America what would happen?   5/29/2004 4:25:59 PM
You defeated the purpose of an argument by saying, "China does not have the logistical capability let alone the transport assets. But let's assume they did." Are we talking fantasy? Either it could or couldn't happen. Which is it?
 
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doggtag    RE:if China invaded North America what would happen?   5/29/2004 4:52:25 PM
..It would be like "Red Dawn" on a truly massive scale. Sure, there would be the peace activists here trying to sell out their own country to win "favorable treatment" from the invading forces, but collaborators are themselves become targets to their former countrymen (personally, I would have no trouble eliminating such treasonous traitors.) Too many red-blooded redneck Americans can "rough it" and live off the land, hiding out in the mountains and national parks, and just how many citizens here have guns? Anybody with a RadioShack in their neighborhood has access to all the parts they need to make remote control weapons (even a model airplane with a homemade bomb taped to it could cause a lot of psychological damge to invading troops) If we would see someone aggressively trying to take our homes and lifestyle away, there would not be a fast enough line of Chinese reinforcements arriving to replace the ones we were removing.
 
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Warhammer    RE:if China invaded North America what would happen?   6/4/2004 12:25:39 AM
I love discussions like this. "China lands 10 million troops in California" There hasn't been a westward migration of this magnitude since the gold rush. 50 million gun owners, many of which tired of the 2 deer quota their hunting license allows them, now go into a frenzy at the thought of 10 million targets that just landed on their doorstep. Yeah, you think an army of 10 million, armed with AK's and some T-80s sounds mean. Wait until 30 million snipers, and tens of millions of glock wielding lunatics start hunting you down for fun, nevermind the fact you pissed them off like nothing else in the world could do. Don't worry about ammo, millions of them have hunting bows. Don't think the night will provide you shelter. Hunters nowadays have every advantage in the world that will make any would be invader cry in his sleep. Collumn of T-80's trying to blitzkrieg up the interstate? Good thing there is enough ammonium nitrate going around to supply every pyro's wet dreams. During and after the invasion is being repelled, 30 million pissed off americans join the military, eager to return the favor to what is left of mainland China after PACAF, and PACFLT are done with it. I guarantee every bomb dropped on China would all have "MADE IN AMERICA" printed all over them. I think we need a Red Dawn 2, someone start the petition.
 
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doggtag    RE:if China invaded North America what would happen?   6/4/2004 4:56:10 AM
nicely done, Warhammer. Did you know there are actually some modern (American made) arrow tips that will pierce a military grade fragmentation (Flak jacket) vest at 20-30 yards? (the ultimate in covert assassinations...). I think I would rather take the bullet myself: better chance of being killed, rather than lying there skewered and feeling yourself bleed to death slowly. I personally would like to see just how China would mobilize and deploy 10million troops and their equipment across the ocean: serious logistical nightmare. Actually, I would more likely see them undermining us by paying off terrorist elements that sneak across the border from Mexico, more like an "Invasion USA" scenario. But being a part redneck, part Minuteman Pennsylvanian, I agree entirely with your 30 million snipers idea: a scoped deer or bear rifle (.270 up through something big, like a 30-40 Krag or whatever... hell, for effect, let's fire off a few .54 black powder rifles at them!), is gonna be able to knock off some little commie twit long before he can get his chinese-copied AK fired up. And just how many assault rifle types are in the hands of patriotic Americans? Let alone all the Uzi's and MAC10's floating through the greater LA area ... It'd be a gangsta rapper's dream come true: the government encouraging drive-by's!. Truthfully, I think the "redneck" mentality is just as great a deterrent as our ICBM's..
 
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Warhammer    RE:if China invaded North America what would happen?   6/4/2004 9:48:37 AM
Yeah, that would be interesting to see China actually get that kind of force over here. Whenever the topic comes up I always tell my friends that China doesn't have enough boats to invade anything bigger than Taiwan, and that is pushing it. Japan has a larger navy than China. I think many people are giving our satelites a bit too much credit however. Well, maybe not the satelites, but the amount of time we actually spend watching the Chinese swarm about their ports. No one in the pentagon really thinks China would ever pull such a stunt off, though they may have scenarios for it. Who knows, the first leg of the Chinese invasion force could be something like half of China town rising up and causing lots of trouble in San Fran. Meanwhile, Chinese tourists that just came off that cruise ship in LA, are taking the port. Also, our satelites aren't taking streaming real time video. Usually it is a series of pictures taken at certain intervals. In a single picture, the traffic in the streets around the Chinese port might seem to be normal, but actually could be China clandestinely packing ships full of troops. And even if we suspected that China was up to something fishy, just seeing them pack shiploads of people onto ships would not be evidence enough to call in swarms of hornets to sink them. If there was suspicion of the boats in question, we would have them tracked, and the coast guard would meet them and search them before they reached the shore. If they were found out, then the west coast would get a few new coral reefs. Like has been mentioned, China, or any other nation doesn't have a chance of invading the US until we drop our military down to a puny level. Maybe if we let the democrats have office for a good 20 years we might see a plausible invasion scenario, but until then it is just a suicide mission. China would just as well put a nuke on the boat rather than try and invade. Both will have about the same effect.
 
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chemist    RE:if China invaded North America what would happen?   6/4/2004 12:21:25 PM
Since we're playing with this, how's this idea smack you? They don't ship it in military ships. They box it up shipping containers and send it to Tijuana through commercial channels. They've got a few brigades on the CA doorstep, and in range of quite a few really important installations. The fall of Dago would surely and trully hurt. Haven't thought about the continued resupply issue. But it is at least concvievable that the Chicom could get a strike force into place with alot of trickery.
 
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