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Subject: Obama to GOP(And a lot of SP posters): I Won
DarthAmerica    1/23/2009 5:16:29 PM
By: Jonathan Martin and Carol E. Lee January 23, 2009 04:49 PM EST President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning - but he also left no doubt about who's in charge of these negotiations. "I won," Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation. The exchange arose as top House and Senate Republicans expressed concern to the president about the amount of spending in the package. They also raised red flags about a refundable tax credit that returns money to those who don’t pay income taxes, the sources said. The Republicans stressed that they want to include more middle class tax cuts in the package, citing their proposal to cut the two lowest tax rates — 15 percent and 10 percent — to ten percent and five percent, rather than issue the refundable credit Obama wants. At another point in the meeting, sources said Obama told the group: “This is a grave situation facing the country.” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama would hold another economic meeting in the White House Saturday for a "broader group." After Friday's meeting, Democratic and Republican leaders publicly wrangled over the developing stimulus plan. But perhaps taking a cue from Obama’s “I won” line when Democrats were asked if they were concerned about Republicans blocking the package, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid had a swift one-word answer: “No.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the bill was on track for passage by February 16, while Republicans continued to voice their opposition. “We expressed our concerns about some of the spending that’s being proposed in the House bill,” House Minority Leader John Boehner said after meeting with Obama. “How can you spend hundreds of millions of dollars on contraceptives?” Boehner asked. “How does that stimulate the economy?” Boehner said congressional Republicans are also concerned about the size of the package. “Government can’t solve this problem,” he said. Reid said a Congressional Budget Office report that says the stimulus funds won’t be pumped into the economy until 2010 doesn’t provide an accurate picture. Republicans have used the report to back up their argument against a near $1 trillion package. But Reid said Obama Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag told them CBO only analyzed 40 percent of the bill. He also said Orszag guaranteed “that at least 75 percent of the bill would go directly into the economy within the first 18 months.” Pelosi suggested that the package, currently at $825 billion, could become even larger. “It has grown,” Pelosi said, “and we’re still in the process.” Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the No. 2 House Republican, said Obama’s team was receptive to some Republican ideas about increasing benefits to small businesses. But, he said, “There are some philosophical questions that may not be able to be resolved.” Some Republican plans were clearly non-starters with the new president, he said – including GOP calls to put off tax hikes during the recession. “He rejected that out of hand and said we couldn’t have any hard and fast rules like that,” said Cantor. Lisa Lerer and Josh Gerstein contributed. © 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hugs and Kisses -DA
 
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DarthAmerica       1/27/2009 10:54:41 AM

Not the first black president, either...according to some Constitutional scholars, Condi Rice was, for 90 seconds (from noon till Biden was sworn in) our first black and our first woman president.

No, looked into that, I was there and noticed the tardiness of the swearing in. What I learned is that at noon precisely sworn in or not President Elect Sen Barack Hussein Obama became the 44th President of the USA. If I can I'll try to dig up the specifics.

-DA 
 
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Barca       1/27/2009 11:00:59 AM



No one in the Obama administration had a Bible handy? 

I think I would have brought mine just so I could say it was used in the swearing in of a President.

 

NOT THE FIRST TIME A PRESIDENT WAS SWORN IN WITHOUT A BIBLE:
ht*p://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/22/AR2009012203769.html
-DA 

I am guessing that your point is that it is prefectly legal to not use a Bible?
Which makes me wonder if you understood the implications of my statement.

 
 
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PlatypusMaximus       1/27/2009 11:07:14 AM

I had stumbled upon this:
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(1) The 20th Amendment provides that ?[t]he terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January. . . . ?

(2) Art II., Sec. 1 Cl. 8 provides that ?[b]efore he enter on the Execution of his Office, [The President] shall take the following oath. . . ?

(3) President Obama did not take the Oath of Office until about 12:03 pm today, after Vice President Biden took it at about 12:01 p.m. (Yo Yo Ma and Itzhak Perlman were still fiddling at noon).

(4) Therefore, there was a brief window (just after noon) when George Bush and Dick Cheney were no longer President and Vice President, but Barack Obama and Joe Biden also were not yet qualified to enter on the Execution of their offices.

(5) The Presidential Succession Act, 3 U.S.C. sec. 19(a)(1), provides: ?If, by reason of . . . failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.? Section 19(b) states that the President Pro Tempore of the Senate shall act as President (under the same terms and conditions) if the Speaker of the House fails to qualify.

(6) Neither Nancy Pelosi nor Robert Byrd actually resigned their seats in the Congress. Thus, neither of them qualified to become Acting President under the Presidential Succession Act. Plus, interbranch appointments might be unconstitutional anyhow. See Akhil Reed Amar and Vikram David Amar, Is the Presidential Succession Law Constitutional?, 48 Stan. L. Rev. 113 (1995); but see Howard Wasserman, Structural Principles and Presidential Succession, 90 Ky. L.J. 345 (2002).

(7) Section 19(d)(1) of the Presidential Succession Act provides: ?If, by reason of . . . failure to qualify, there is no President pro tempore to act as President under subsection (b) of this section, then the officer of the United States who is highest on the following list, and who is not under disability to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President shall act as President: Secretary of State . . . ?

(8) Notably, Section 19(d)(1) does not condition the Secretary of State?s assumption of the powers and duties of the office of President on resignation of her current office, nor does elevation of the Secretary of State raise any constitutional issue of interbranch appointment.

(9) The term of office of the Secretary of State does not automatically terminate at noon on the 20th day of January.

(10) On January 20, 2009, Condoleeza Rice was (and is) still the Secretary of State.

(11) Accordingly, from 12:00 noon until 12:01 p.m. (when Vice President Biden took the oath of office and became Vice President), Condoleeza Rice was momentarily the Acting President of the United States, our first African-American President.

I suppose the obvious counterargument is that Secretary Rice *also* never took the Oath prescribed in Art. II, Sec. 1, cl. 8, and thus was no more qualified than Barack Obama or Joe Biden to act as President at 12:00 noon. But if Secretary Rice was not President from noon to 12:01, then who was?

?Ken Katkin
Professor of Law
Salmon P. Chase College of Law
556 Nunn Hall
Northern Kentucky University

Highland Heights, KY 41099
 
 

 
 
 
 
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Barca       1/27/2009 11:11:49 AM

Not the first black president, either...according to some Constitutional scholars, Condi Rice was, for 90 seconds (from noon till Biden was sworn in) our first black and our first woman president.

But he is the first Arab President.
 
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Barca       1/27/2009 11:17:28 AM

(4) Therefore, there was a brief window (just after noon) when George Bush and Dick Cheney were no longer President and Vice President, but Barack Obama and Joe Biden also were not yet qualified to enter on the Execution of their offices.



Condaleeza Rice was still the Secretary of State and maybe acting President, but not the President.  Just like Cheney was not the President when W Bush was under anathesia.  Otherwise Obama would be number 127 rather than 44.
 
 
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