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Subject: Obama to GOP(And a lot of SP posters): I Won
DarthAmerica    1/23/2009 5:16:29 PM
By: Jonathan Martin and Carol E. Lee January 23, 2009 04:49 PM EST President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning - but he also left no doubt about who's in charge of these negotiations. "I won," Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation. The exchange arose as top House and Senate Republicans expressed concern to the president about the amount of spending in the package. They also raised red flags about a refundable tax credit that returns money to those who don’t pay income taxes, the sources said. The Republicans stressed that they want to include more middle class tax cuts in the package, citing their proposal to cut the two lowest tax rates — 15 percent and 10 percent — to ten percent and five percent, rather than issue the refundable credit Obama wants. At another point in the meeting, sources said Obama told the group: “This is a grave situation facing the country.” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama would hold another economic meeting in the White House Saturday for a "broader group." After Friday's meeting, Democratic and Republican leaders publicly wrangled over the developing stimulus plan. But perhaps taking a cue from Obama’s “I won” line when Democrats were asked if they were concerned about Republicans blocking the package, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid had a swift one-word answer: “No.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the bill was on track for passage by February 16, while Republicans continued to voice their opposition. “We expressed our concerns about some of the spending that’s being proposed in the House bill,” House Minority Leader John Boehner said after meeting with Obama. “How can you spend hundreds of millions of dollars on contraceptives?” Boehner asked. “How does that stimulate the economy?” Boehner said congressional Republicans are also concerned about the size of the package. “Government can’t solve this problem,” he said. Reid said a Congressional Budget Office report that says the stimulus funds won’t be pumped into the economy until 2010 doesn’t provide an accurate picture. Republicans have used the report to back up their argument against a near $1 trillion package. But Reid said Obama Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag told them CBO only analyzed 40 percent of the bill. He also said Orszag guaranteed “that at least 75 percent of the bill would go directly into the economy within the first 18 months.” Pelosi suggested that the package, currently at $825 billion, could become even larger. “It has grown,” Pelosi said, “and we’re still in the process.” Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the No. 2 House Republican, said Obama’s team was receptive to some Republican ideas about increasing benefits to small businesses. But, he said, “There are some philosophical questions that may not be able to be resolved.” Some Republican plans were clearly non-starters with the new president, he said – including GOP calls to put off tax hikes during the recession. “He rejected that out of hand and said we couldn’t have any hard and fast rules like that,” said Cantor. Lisa Lerer and Josh Gerstein contributed. © 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hugs and Kisses -DA
 
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appleciderus       1/24/2009 8:41:23 PM
Well said!
 
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HERALD1357    Your history (fantasy) is wrong, MOPPUSHER.   1/24/2009 8:57:12 PM

After the DOT COM bust Bush and Greenspan lowered interests rates to ward off a major recession that was due that created the greatest bubble in mankind with hedge funds leveraged to $500trillion. Obama's $1trillion rescue is puny compared to what his predeseccor created- truly an error of biblical proportions(Bush was a born again christian- perhaps Buddhism and Dalai Lamas frugality would be a better religion fo most to consider after this- look what he did after reading the bible), while Obamas spend spend may not be ideal could someone tell me how do you plan to create jobs for the 7% unemployed and another 13% percent underemployed or quit looking. Government spending ain't good but no country has ever come out of major recession without government intervention. Remember where we are after Bush's $500 trillion in leveraged equity hedge funds mountain- and u r bitchin' about $1trillion. GO OBAMA!!!
 
Now that post mortem happened year Januaery 2001 after the dot.com fiasco was allowed to run its course with what is called write downs -where companies that survived: ATE their financual losses at market. The wipe-out of wealth was real and remained REAL. There was no 500 trillion dollar rescue due to an adjustment in interest and credit rate lines possible because the whole !@#$%^&*() planet doesn't generate that kind credit line of money credit in ten years time. US total REAL wealth ALL ASSETS alone is barely $78 trillion as of today, which is still 30% greater than it was in 2000, you stupid idiot.. 
 
Next time you lie, Herk the Jerk, check your FACTS.
 
Herald
 
 
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Necromancer    timon & apple   1/24/2009 8:59:08 PM

Well said!


I agreed smaller government and smaller military budget ending Iraq war, goodbye to F-22 are all part of ending useless spending. If you note I said Obamas spend spend is not a solution but a temporary measure to alleviate the current unemployment as no one else is willing to spend. But there is no debate that the subprime crisis was created by Bush & Greenspan holding interest rates down to avoid prolonged recession after 9/11. WHat worries me is not that Obama and Nancy Pelosi are gonna write big checks but even then with or without the bailout TARP,F-22s an all the tricks out of everybodies hats in the USA we are already screwed. $500 trillion leveraging in hedge funds. Iceland here we come. The shocker will be when AIG , Citigroup, and Bank of America fail. Do you know what that means- think Iceland- 18% interest rate, think Zimbabwe- US dollar not accepted as currency in Washington DC, think Alaska- US sells Hawaii to Japan to pay debts. WE are in a brief period of history like Soviet Union and Gorbachev sudden collapse and breakup, imagine an entire US fleet gets stuck in some EU port because they cannot pay dock fees!!- there maybe no USA left. Really.
 
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HERALD1357    Why are you talking to this liar?   1/24/2009 9:17:27 PM



Well said!





I agreed smaller government and smaller military budget ending Iraq war, goodbye to F-22 are all part of ending useless spending. If you note I said Obamas spend spend is not a solution but a temporary measure to alleviate the current unemployment as no one else is willing to spend. But there is no debate that the subprime crisis was created by Bush & Greenspan holding interest rates down to avoid prolonged recession after 9/11. WHat worries me is not that Obama and Nancy Pelosi are gonna write big checks but even then with or without the bailout TARP,F-22s an all the tricks out of everybodies hats in the USA we are already screwed. $500 trillion leveraging in hedge funds. Iceland here we come. The shocker will be when AIG , Citigroup, and Bank of America fail. Do you know what that means- think Iceland- 18% interest rate, think Zimbabwe- US dollar not accepted as currency in Washington DC, think Alaska- US sells Hawaii to Japan to pay debts. WE are in a brief period of history like Soviet Union and Gorbachev sudden collapse and breakup, imagine an entire US fleet gets stuck in some EU port because they cannot pay dock fees!!- there maybe no USA left. Really.

I mean he can't even distinguish between his raving lunacy and reality. CREF lie he repeats.
 
Herald
 
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CJH       1/24/2009 10:46:38 PM

After the DOT COM bust Bush and Greenspan lowered interests rates to ward off a major recession that was due that created the greatest bubble in mankind with hedge funds leveraged to $500trillion. Obama's $1trillion rescue is puny compared to what his predeseccor created- truly an error of biblical proportions(Bush was a born again christian- perhaps Buddhism and Dalai Lamas frugality would be a better religion fo most to consider after this- look what he did after reading the bible), while Obamas spend spend may not be ideal could someone tell me how do you plan to create jobs for the 7% unemployed and another 13% percent underemployed or quit looking. Government spending ain't good but no country has ever come out of major recession without government intervention. Remember where we are after Bush's $500 trillion in leveraged equity hedge funds mountain- and u r bitchin' about $1trillion. GO OBAMA!!!

Go Obama? Either you do not believe that Obama was telling the truth about being a born again Christian or you don't take what you write seriously.
 
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Necromancer    CJH if Obama is a true born again Christian I am at least 1/8th Christian   1/25/2009 12:00:11 AM



After the DOT COM bust Bush and Greenspan lowered interests rates to ward off a major recession that was due that created the greatest bubble in mankind with hedge funds leveraged to $500trillion. Obama's $1trillion rescue is puny compared to what his predeseccor created- truly an error of biblical proportions(Bush was a born again christian- perhaps Buddhism and Dalai Lamas frugality would be a better religion fo most to consider after this- look what he did after reading the bible), while Obamas spend spend may not be ideal could someone tell me how do you plan to create jobs for the 7% unemployed and another 13% percent underemployed or quit looking. Government spending ain't good but no country has ever come out of major recession without government intervention. Remember where we are after Bush's $500 trillion in leveraged equity hedge funds mountain- and u r bitchin' about $1trillion. GO OBAMA!!!




Go Obama? Either you do not believe that Obama was telling the truth about being a born again Christian or you don't take what you write seriously.
He just okayed abortion countries funding and stem cell- thats not on any born again Christian portfolio. Plus I referred to Bush being a born again not Obama. It was even up in the air about the oath and one nation under God. Mon Dieu even I wouldn't object to saying under God (big deal), but he palpably looked uncomfortable when Roberts said "one Nation under God". It should be noted that the final oath was without the Bible- due to expediency, I am sure, but nonetheless it was seen as unimportant by anyone including the allegedly meticulous counsel.

 
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Barca       1/25/2009 1:03:33 PM


...   It should be noted that the final oath was without the Bible- due to expediency, ...


No one in the Obama administration had a Bible handy? 
I think I would have brought mine just so I could say it was used in the swearing in of a President.

 
 
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HERALD1357    Corcumstancial evidence suggests that Obama is an athiest.   1/25/2009 1:52:03 PM
The church he chose was out of Southside Chicago political expediency.

The Reverend Wright he jettisoned.
 
The pastors he chose for his inauguration make no sense from any teleological matrix distribution or from any theological one. The choices were cookie cutter pie wedge demographics filler.  

His "religion" like his entire makeup is "political". Whatever brings him power is what he becomes.
 
Herald 
 
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CJH       1/25/2009 4:32:29 PM







After the DOT COM bust Bush and Greenspan lowered interests rates to ward off a major recession that was due that created the greatest bubble in mankind with hedge funds leveraged to $500trillion. Obama's $1trillion rescue is puny compared to what his predeseccor created- truly an error of biblical proportions(Bush was a born again christian- perhaps Buddhism and Dalai Lamas frugality would be a better religion fo most to consider after this- look what he did after reading the bible), while Obamas spend spend may not be ideal could someone tell me how do you plan to create jobs for the 7% unemployed and another 13% percent underemployed or quit looking. Government spending ain't good but no country has ever come out of major recession without government intervention. Remember where we are after Bush's $500 trillion in leveraged equity hedge funds mountain- and u r bitchin' about $1trillion. GO OBAMA!!!










Go Obama? Either you do not believe that Obama was telling the truth about being a born again Christian or you don't take what you write seriously.


He just okayed abortion countries funding and stem cell- thats not on any born again Christian portfolio. Plus I referred to Bush being a born again not Obama. It was even up in the air about the oath and one nation under God. Mon Dieu even I wouldn't object to saying under God (big deal), but he palpably looked uncomfortable when Roberts said "one Nation under God". It should be noted that the final oath was without the Bible- due to expediency, I am sure, but nonetheless it was seen as unimportant by anyone including the allegedly meticulous counsel.




From an April 5, 2004 Sun-Times article - Obama: I have a deep faith by Cathleen Falsani

"I am a Christian," the 42-year-old Illinois state senator and Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate says, as one of the nearby customers interrupts to congratulate him on his recent primary win. Obama shakes the man's hand and says, "Thank you very much. I appreciate that," before turning his attention directly back to the question.
 
 Obama said he is a Christian. You seem to be saying he's not. You can't both be true.
 
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CJH       1/25/2009 4:33:51 PM







After the DOT COM bust Bush and Greenspan lowered interests rates to ward off a major recession that was due that created the greatest bubble in mankind with hedge funds leveraged to $500trillion. Obama's $1trillion rescue is puny compared to what his predeseccor created- truly an error of biblical proportions(Bush was a born again christian- perhaps Buddhism and Dalai Lamas frugality would be a better religion fo most to consider after this- look what he did after reading the bible), while Obamas spend spend may not be ideal could someone tell me how do you plan to create jobs for the 7% unemployed and another 13% percent underemployed or quit looking. Government spending ain't good but no country has ever come out of major recession without government intervention. Remember where we are after Bush's $500 trillion in leveraged equity hedge funds mountain- and u r bitchin' about $1trillion. GO OBAMA!!!










Go Obama? Either you do not believe that Obama was telling the truth about being a born again Christian or you don't take what you write seriously.


He just okayed abortion countries funding and stem cell- thats not on any born again Christian portfolio. Plus I referred to Bush being a born again not Obama. It was even up in the air about the oath and one nation under God. Mon Dieu even I wouldn't object to saying under God (big deal), but he palpably looked uncomfortable when Roberts said "one Nation under God". It should be noted that the final oath was without the Bible- due to expediency, I am sure, but nonetheless it was seen as unimportant by anyone including the allegedly meticulous counsel.




From an April 5, 2004 Sun-Times article - Obama: I have a deep faith by Cathleen Falsani

"I am a Christian," the 42-year-old Illinois state senator and Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate says, as one of the nearby customers interrupts to congratulate him on his recent primary win. Obama shakes the man's hand and says, "Thank you very much. I appreciate that," before turning his attention directly back to the question.
 
 Obama said he is a Christian. You seem to be saying he's not. You can't both be true.
 
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