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Subject: Anybody in DC tomorrow?
DarthAmerica    1/19/2009 4:51:28 PM
I'll be on 3rd and Constitution after 0700 hours until the President passes by. -DA
 
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warpig       1/22/2009 8:48:54 PM
Possibly relevant is that I'm nearly certain Air Force reservists can not just wear their uniform around town any old time they please, inauguration ceremony or not.  As I recall they may only be in uniform while performing official duty, i.e., on orders or performing IDTs.  I'd be willing to bet it's the same for the other services as well.  I admit I'm not even quoting Air Force regs, much less Army NG regs, but I'm throwing that out there anyway.
 
 
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DarthAmerica       1/22/2009 9:30:04 PM

Possibly relevant is that I'm nearly certain Air Force reservists can not just wear their uniform around town any old time they please, inauguration ceremony or not.  As I recall they may only be in uniform while performing official duty, i.e., on orders or performing IDTs.  I'd be willing to bet it's the same for the other services as well.  I admit I'm not even quoting Air Force regs, much less Army NG regs, but I'm throwing that out there anyway.


Then like that other clown you would be WRONG. Jesus-H-Christ will you fools bother to read the regs before vomiting out crap you don't know about? I even provided the reg and section for you...

...In any case. The only way wearing that uniform would have been in violation of a real reg and not this Joe hotline rookie BS that keeps floating to the top of the bowl here would be if I went to campaign for or represent some political cause while in uniform. As an individual however its perfectly legit to wear the uniform as long as I was not doing so in a manner that discredits the U.S. Army such as when President Bush and the Vice President walked out the crown of millions started booing and singing na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, hey hey hey, goodbye while giving thumbs down. For crap like that I merely observed and did not participate along with all the other uniformed personnel from other states and services who wanted to honor their new Commander in Chief. 

-DA 

 
 
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PlatypusMaximus       1/22/2009 10:55:19 PM
Isn't that the song by that one-hit wonder about how "I love you more than he does...that's why you're crying right now..so just give it all up and we'll live happily ever after"?...I LOVE that song.
 
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stbretnco       1/22/2009 10:59:35 PM
AR 670-1 covers the wear and appearance the Army uniform.
 
90% of that regulation, which many in the NG and USAR overlook, covers ACTIVE DUTY
soldiers. Not National Guard and Reserve soldiers.
 
Chapter 30 of the Reg takes control for USANG and USAR soldiers.
 
Off duty wear of the uniform by USAR and USANG soldiers is permitted, but only under certain circumstances.
The inauguration, being a political event, not an event of military character, would not appear to be one of those circumstances.
 

b. When ARNG AND USAR personnel are within the limits of the United States or its possessions. Army National

Guard and USAR personnel not on active duty may wear the Army uniform only as follows.

(1) When participating in reserve training assemblies (inactive duty training), exercises, conferences, or ceremonies

in an official capacity as members of the ARNG or the USAR under competent orders.

(2) When engaged in military instruction or in attendance as a student under appropriate orders at any school or

course of instruction under the auspices of the armed forces or the reserve components.

(3) When instructors at an educational institution conducting courses of instruction approved by the armed forces, or

when responsible for military discipline at like institutions.

(4) When attending social functions or informal gatherings of a military character. All current and former soldiers

will conform to the wear and appearance standards in this regulation while wearing the uniform under the provisions of

this chapter.

This isn't the former Soviet Union, we're not installing a new Premier, party chairman, or or maximum leader.
 
 
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Barca       1/23/2009 1:53:53 AM
Let me get this straight.  You guys wouldn't be pissed, if soldiers in uniform weren't allow to be near a signing in ceremony?
 
I think some of you just like putting us on or getting a row out of someone.
 
 
Darth, National Guard?  I thought you were someone important. 
PS Thanx for the invite, but I haven't been in Washington since the Clinton administration.
 
 
 
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warpig       1/23/2009 1:57:22 AM
And that's the ball game.  Thank you, Sgt, for citing the other pertinent section of the regs.  I figured it would be basically the same as it is for USAFR.
 
I know a few people (especially Rocky) have on occasion goaded you harder than I think they ought to have, but StrategyPage isn't a case of you v. everyone else, Darth.
 
 
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DarthAmerica       1/23/2009 10:06:43 AM

AR 670-1 covers the wear and appearance the Army uniform.

 

90% of that regulation, which many in the NG and USAR overlook, covers ACTIVE DUTY

soldiers. Not National Guard and Reserve soldiers.

 

Chapter 30 of the Reg takes control for USANG and USAR soldiers.

 

Off duty wear of the uniform by USAR and USANG soldiers is permitted, but only under certain circumstances.

The inauguration, being a political event, not an event of military character, would not appear to be one of those circumstances.

 

b. When ARNG AND USAR personnel are within the limits of the United States or its possessions. Army National


Guard and USAR personnel not on active duty may wear the Army uniform only as follows.


(1) When participating in reserve training assemblies (inactive duty training), exercises, conferences, or ceremonies


in an official capacity as members of the ARNG or the USAR under competent orders.


(2) When engaged in military instruction or in attendance as a student under appropriate orders at any school or


course of instruction under the auspices of the armed forces or the reserve components.


(3) When instructors at an educational institution conducting courses of instruction approved by the armed forces, or


when responsible for military discipline at like institutions.


(4) When attending social functions or informal gatherings of a military character. All current and former soldiers


will conform to the wear and appearance standards in this regulation while wearing the uniform under the provisions of


this chapter.



This isn't the former Soviet Union, we're not installing a new Premier, party chairman, or or maximum leader.

 

OK you are an idiot. If you were familiar with the regulation of even a real soldier at any time, you would have read section 30 where it says...

(4) When attending social functions or informal gatherings of a military character. All current and former soldiers 

will conform to the wear and appearance standards in this regulation while wearing the uniform under the provisions of 

this chapter.

Then you would have referred back to section 1-10 where the only limit of my wear of the Uniform would have been  if I was involved in the FURTHERANCE of a political event. Attending the inauguration for the purposes of watching is not FURTHERANCE of a political agenda. Then you would have opened your idiot eyes to the fact that the event had thousands of other soldiers there as witnesses. Stop citing regulations you aren't familiar with. If you aren't current or a member of my chain of command then you should probably keep your mouth shut. This is something that was specifically authorized by the Chain of Command and why would you be offended if a soldier were in Uniform anyway? I'm sure if McCain were being sworn if you would think it patriotic. In any case I WOULD NOT CARE about what the reg said or any penalties and I would dare you to personally challenge me any time I was in uniform for any reason.


-DA 
 
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Old Grunt    Darth is Right!!!   1/23/2009 2:08:15 PM

stbrtnco doesn't seem to know AR 670-1 very well.  Of course I can give some slack here since some regs change fairly frequently and if you aren't "in the loop" you just can't keep up.  You see, there is absolutely no provision of any kind for Reserve Component personnel to wear the uniform in a non-duty status. None.  Zero.  Nada.  Zip.  In order to legally wear the uniform a Reserve Component member must be either performing an official function, or be attending (by direct invitation or direction) a sanctioned social function.  So you see DA, you were wrong.  I know, I know... you don't care.  As for the "Chain of Command" excuse, that's just silly.  Even your TAG's authority only extends to the limit of his jurisdiction, which is most certainly not the District.  Please tell me that you at least wore your "A's" and didn't opt for "ACU Chic" since that would have been in violation of the ALARCT that went out right after Christmas informing all soldiers intending to attend the inauguration to wear either Class A or civilian attire to avoid confusion with the soldiers assigned security and crowd control duties.  I know, if you don't care about the regulations why would you give a flip about an HQDA directive.    
 
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DarthAmerica       1/23/2009 2:32:19 PM

stbrtnco doesn't seem to know AR 670-1 very well.  Of course I can give some slack here since some regs change fairly frequently and if you aren't "in the loop" you just can't keep up.  You see, there is absolutely no provision of any kind for Reserve Component personnel to wear the uniform in a non-duty status. None.  Zero.  Nada.  Zip.  In order to legally wear the uniform a Reserve Component member must be either performing an official function, or be attending (by direct invitation or direction) a sanctioned social function.  So you see DA, you were wrong.  I know, I know... you don't care.  As for the "Chain of Command" excuse, that's just silly.  Even your TAG's authority only extends to the limit of his jurisdiction, which is most certainly not the District.  Please tell me that you at least wore your "A's" and didn't opt for "ACU Chic" since that would have been in violation of the ALARCT that went out right after Christmas informing all soldiers intending to attend the inauguration to wear either Class A or civilian attire to avoid confusion with the soldiers assigned security and crowd control duties.  I know, if you don't care about the regulations why would you give a flip about an HQDA directive.    


YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE IN DUTY STATUS TO WEAR THE UNIFORM. But again as you wisely recognized Old Grunt I would not have cared either way. I went to see my President and Commander in Chief. My presence was requested and I was asked to wear a Uniform. To those of you whos real hang up is that you are still butt hurt over the fact that Obama is the POTUS that's your personal problem. As far as Americans are concerned. Here is what they thought of it...

From: xxxxx[SMTP:xxxxxxxxx@DMHC.CA.GOV]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:53:10 AM
To: xxxxxxxxx
Subject: FW: Journey to Obama  - Thank you!!!
Auto forwarded by a Rule


Dear xxxxx(Me), 

I keep telling the story of the beautiful American solider that was my guardian angel helping me every step along the way on the Road to Obama.  Because of you and your incredible kindness, patience and compassion for a tired old lady (hadn't slept for two nights)....you made the journey a JOY!

God sent you to me and I am eternally grateful.  With the face of an angel and the physique of Hercules like the magnificent solder statues we saw along the way, you guided the way gently and powerfully. I'll never forget you and the kindness of a stranger who became a friend. 

It made all the difference to share the overwhelming joyous experience with you. You commanded so much respect from your fellow soldiers guarding the perimeter and the crowd we passed by - I felt like I was walking with Obama himself.  At one point you had two of us - one on each arm helping us reach our destinations. 


I know your family missed you but you were like family to me. And I hope that you will stay in touch and please bring your family up north to Sacramento where I may introduce you to my family. This would bring me much joy.  

I hope the pictures turned out -- if there is a way to send them to me I would treasure them.  

With my deepest appreciation, I thank you xxxxxx(Me) with all my heart, 

XXXXXXXX
 

...Now. I merely said I was going to be there and where in good faith in order to share with those interested. To all you haters, Frak off. Like I said, you don't know why I was there, how I was there or in what capacity so save your ate up quotes of Regs you don't understand. I don't care and would have did it any way right or wrong. Just be happy for our country that this is happening or minimally be happy for me that I had an opportunity to attend this event. Leave the how, why and regs to me. I now what I'm doing.

-DA 
 
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Old Grunt    Sigh...   1/23/2009 2:43:08 PM
I don't care and would have did it any way right or wrong.
That is without a shred of doubt the sterotypical "Weekend Warrior" attitude.  I guess we're really not that far from the beer-bash and barbecue that used to pass for "drill weekend".
Part timers, gotta love um.
 
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