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Subject: Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?
swami    11/1/2004 9:44:44 PM
Here is the scenario. Sometime in the near future, Quebec succeeds. A few years later, the US president invites the remaining English-speaking provinces into the USA as sovereign states. What is the effect? With NAFTA in effect, I doubt it will have much of an economic impact. Since the Canadian military is so small relative to the US military, it would not have too much economic impact. But the political impact could be huge. Right now American politics is evenly divided between liberal northern Democrats and conservative southern Republicans. Presumably, Canada would strongly support the Democrats. Democrats would win control of the House, Senate and Presidency. It would suddenly become almost impossible for conservative Republicans to win national majorities, so they would be forced to become more moderate. Conservative Republicans would rule the South and Utah, but nothing else. Elsewhere, the Republican party would look more like the Canadian Conservative party. The Democrats would be almost as powerful as the Liberals are in Canada. Suddenly, American politics would more closely resemble Canadian politics than it does today (at least on the national level). I know the idea of joining the USA offends many Canadians, but perhaps Canadians would have much more influence on the world within the USA than outside it.
 
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wongmantak    RE:Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?   11/3/2004 2:38:40 PM
I feel much safer when travelling with a Can passport overseas. We are no enemy to any nation.
 
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Ehran    RE:Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?   11/4/2004 1:17:01 PM
some of the british islands in the carib aren't very friendly towards canadians. seems they found out how much of their islands were owned outright/mortgaged through canadian banks and it didn't go over well. other than that canadian passports are the way to go.
 
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southern cross    RE:Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?   11/27/2004 10:42:56 PM
that could be a dangerous way to think, terrorists are enemies to all free people. plus if you speak english, with a canadian accent and are white in colour, then there is no telling you apart from an american, terrorists will not ask for your passpaort before blowing you up, and they propbably wouldnt care anyway.
 
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Ehran    RE:Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?   11/28/2004 6:19:14 PM
southern cross canadians in general don't have an accent. it seems we speak generic tv newscaster grade english. it's true enough that the wild eyed freaks with bombs aren't going to ask your nationality before blowing you up. it's also true that when you travel abroad your biggest problem is getting crap ped on because people assume you are an american. since there really isn't a "canadian" accent we are obliged to keep explaining to people that no we aren't americans. it can be rather suprising the difference in how you are treated especially in smaller businesses.
 
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sentinel28a    RE:Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?   12/1/2004 3:27:20 AM
Given the dichotomy between western Canada and Ontario, without even mentioning the schizophrenia that seems to grip Quebec ("we're French, but...uh...we still want to remain part of Canada...well, sort of..."), I don't think things would change overmuch as far as politics go.
 
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Ehran    RE:Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?   12/2/2004 12:51:11 PM
sentinel i think what was left of canada joining the states would have a profound effect on US politics. even the conservative right wing parties here are no further right than the democrats are in the states and most of the canadian public is appreciably left of them. think adding 25 million democrats and greens to the political mix in the states isn't going to rattle some cages? mind you should that happen i expect i would sell off my business and head for new zealand or australia. getting rather close to retiring anyhow and i don't think i would want to deal with the fallout from the merger.
 
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pkennedy1990    RE:Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?   4/15/2005 8:52:21 AM
That'll be the day when the US has the authority to finish eliminating all the Red Indians from Canada, too, or rather, define us away like they've done to their tribes. Then there will be no point in living anymore. And there will be massive suicides among all the US and Canadian Indians who had previously escaped the United States with barely our lives, let alone any money or possessions or paperwork....
 
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jarkeld    RE:Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?   4/15/2005 7:25:44 PM
Adding Canada to US would be a status quo move once you make ajustments for the 2010 census blue states would need Canada to just break even versus the red states. 2008 is going to be a make are break election for Democrats if they loose again they risk being out of power for 20 to 30 years.
 
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blacksmith    RE:Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?   4/17/2005 8:48:21 PM
Adding Anglo-Canada to the US would drive more US citizens away from the left. Most americans pay no attention to Canada (sorry, but it's true). A merger would make americans more aware of Canada's failed policies. National Health[lack-of-]Care. Tennessee created a state health care systems (TENN-CARE) and it is trying to figure out how to dismantle it now. We've already dodged the Hillary-Care bullet once. How much money did Canada spend to register all guns and how many crimes has that database solved? What's it like to live in a country that counts for nothing in world affairs (but everbody's your friend, like the village idiot that everybody in town patronizes.) And the reason that this topic is even discussed, namely that the Canadian experiment would have (as laid out in the beginning of this thread) resulted in a failed state. Would the US suffer the same buyer's remorse with anglo-canada that West Germany had when it picked up the failed socialist experiment to the east? It would be unfortunate if Canada joined the USA...and the Canadians win by dragging the rest of the US down with it into the liberal morass. A Pyrrhic victory for sure.
 
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Ehran    RE:Canada joins the USA... and the Canadians win?   4/18/2005 12:53:47 PM
sigh you realize blacksmith that canada spends significantly less on health care than the us does? the us gov't spends more per per capita than the canadian gov't does by again a significant margin. yet somehow canada manages to cover everyone and according to the health statistics i've looked at we are usually better off than the us is. if that's failure gimme more of it. as for counting for nothing well i can at least travel with a canadian passport without any great worries about how i am treated once i make it clear i am not an american. surprising how quickly attitudes change once that is cleared up.
 
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