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Subject: Muslim Thought Police Zero in on Columnist Mark Steyn
swhitebull    12/6/2007 11:01:54 AM
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/06/stifling-mark-steyn/ Read the comments as well, worth the effort, and then move on to National Review, where Steyn is a regular columnist. swhitebull - like roaches, u can kill hundreds, but they still keep coming out in endless waves til they overwhelm you.
 
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swhitebull    From Mark Steyn Himself   12/6/2007 12:57:31 PM

Dead man writing   [Mark Steyn]

One of the critical differences between America and the rest of the west is that America has a First Amendment and the rest don't. And a lot of them are far too comfortable with the notion that in free societies it is right and proper for the state to regulate speech. The response of the EU Commissioner for Justice, Freedom and Security to the Danish cartoons was to propose a press charter that would oblige newspapers to exercise "prudence" on, ah, certain controversial subjects. The response of Tony Blair's ministry to the problems of "Londonistan" was to propose a sweeping law dramatically constraining free discussion of religion. At the end of her life, Oriana Fallaci was being sued in France, Italy, Switzerland and sundry other jurisdictions by groups who believed her opinions were not merely disagreeable but criminal. In France, Michel Houellebecq was sued by Muslim and other "anti-racist" groups who believed opinions held by a fictional character in one of his novels were not merely disagreeable but criminal.

 

Up north, the Canadian Islamic Congress announced the other day that at least two of Canada?s ?Human Rights Commissions? ? one federal, one provincial ? had agreed to hear their complaints that their ?human rights? had been breached by this ?flagrantly Islamophobic? excerpt from my book, as published in the country?s bestselling news magazine, Maclean?s. Several readers and various Canadian media outlets have enquired what my defense to the charges is. Here?s my answer:

 

I can defend myself if I have to. But I shouldn?t have to.

 

If the Canadian Islamic Congress wants to disagree with my book, fine. Join the club. But, if they want to criminalize it, nuts. That way lies madness. America Alone was a bestseller in Canada, made all the literary Top Ten hit parades, Number One at Amazon Canada, Number One on The National Post?s national bestseller list, Number One on various local sales charts from statist Quebec to cowboy Alberta, etc. I find it difficult to imagine that a Canadian ?human rights? tribunal would rule that all those Canadians who bought the book were wrong and that it is beyond the bounds of acceptable (and legal) discourse in Canada.

 
As I say, I find it difficult to imagine. But not impossible. These "human rights" censors started with small fry - obscure websites, "homophobes" who made the mistake of writing letters to local newspapers or quoting the more robust chunks of Leviticus - and, because they got away with it, it now seems entirely reasonable for a Canadian pseudo-court to sit in judgment on the content of a mainstream magazine and put a big old "libel chill" over critical areas of public debate. The "progressive" left has grown accustomed to the regulation of speech, thinking it just a useful way of sticking it to Christian fundamentalists, right-wing columnists, and other despised groups. They don?t know they?re riding a tiger that in the end will devour them, too.
 
 
 
swhitebull - Free Speech is Free Speech is Free Speech - there ARE no buts.
 
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Ehran       12/6/2007 1:21:52 PM
there are limits to free speech even in the usa.
 
just because they have complained does not mean they are going to "win" anything it just means they complained and the matter will be looked into.
 
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eldnah       12/17/2007 10:58:23 AM
This past week I've read a number of articles on the Mark Steyn affair including one this morning by David Warren from the Ottawa Citizen republished on Real Clear Politics. All  of the articles indicate the power of quasi-judicial Human Rights Tribunals , ain't that a great title, in Canada that are functioning as a PC Orwellian thought police. Please don't compare the Canadian restraints with restrictions on free speech in the US such as falsely yelling "Fire" in a crowed darkened theater is forbidden. 
I grew up with the quaint old meme that "Sticks and stones could break my bones but names could never  hurt me" and I have little tolerance for the victimhood of the insulted. But isn't it interesting how left wing governments from Russia to Europe to Canada are so anxious to suppress free speech. "Hate Speech" laws may at first seem reasonable but are soon manipulated to stifle political dissent ala Canada or at the very least give trial lawyers another source of revenue.
In the US one can still deny the Holocaust or call someone a Nigger and rightfully suffer public scorn, ridicule and opprobrium but thankfully be free of the fear of Government oppression.
 
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Ehran       12/17/2007 2:00:26 PM

In the US one can still deny the Holocaust or call someone a Nigger and rightfully suffer public scorn, ridicule and opprobrium but thankfully be free of the fear of Government oppression.

when american citizens stop worrying about being arrested and held without charge as "terrorists" then you can start worrying about canadians being oppressed by the human rights tribunals.  free speech in canada is in no particular danger unless you are a particularly egregious nitwit.

 
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eldnah       12/17/2007 6:32:55 PM
Please educate me. I thought that only three American citizen were held as enemy combatants, John Walker Lindh, Jose Padilla and Yasir Hamadi. Lindh, who was captured by the North Alliance, was convicted by a civilian court in Miami, of conspiracy to kill US citizens and supporting a terrorist organization. He is serving his term. Padilla was also tried in a civilian court and convicted of conspiracy to murder and kidnap US citizens and supporting a terrorist organization. He is also serving his term. Hamadi, also captured by the Northern Alliance renounced his US citizenship and was deported back Saudi Arabia on a plea deal. Not too terrible fates for traitors. In the clearer days of WWII they would have been shot. It seems a little bizarre to equate them with people who are prosecuted for having un-PC political opinions unless of course it suits a leftist political agenda.
 
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Ehran       12/18/2007 1:47:58 PM
i'd actually be perfectly fine with their being shot after having their due process rendered.
 
that's 3 we know of so far.  given the bush gov't behaviour so far it's far from impossible more names won't surface in the future.  this whole illegal combattant thing is just a crock far as i can see to fig leaf over torturing/vanishing people. 
 
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eldnah       12/18/2007 4:55:58 PM
Ok. Now I understand you point; i.e., it's perfectly fine for non-PC free speech to be suppressed in Canada because George Bush is evil and has done things that cannot even be documented and therefore Canada is beyond reproach.
 
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Ehran       12/19/2007 2:52:02 PM
there is a difference between non PC free speech and attempts to incite hatred eldnah.
 
 
 
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Ehran       12/19/2007 3:04:41 PM

Ok. Now I understand you point; i.e., it's perfectly fine for non-PC free speech to be suppressed in Canada because George Bush is evil and has done things that cannot even be documented and therefore Canada is beyond reproach.



read about what's been going on now for years eldnah with this administration assorted foulups.  george isn't evil he's just far far out of his depth.  as for documenting the bushies are fairly good with a shredder but we'll have to see what comes out after the presidential election.  you might want to consider the latest confirmation of wrong doing in that the cia is now admitting to trashing not one guys interrogation tapes but hundreds of hours of interrogation tapes.  now why do you think they would do something like that eldnah if they weren't deeply concerned about what was on those tapes?
 
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swhitebull       12/19/2007 3:45:00 PM

there is a difference between non PC free speech and attempts to incite hatred eldnah.

 

 



Was Mark Steyn inciting hatred by his writings? Or is it wrong to give voice to some inconvenient truths, whose by very nature one would rather ignore?   Doesn't seem so much hatred as an attempt by Muslims to suppress critical discussion of their religion. 
 
In THIS country, one doesnt have a constitutional right NOT to get their feelings hurt. Big boys can take criticism. What does Islam have that they are ashamed to discuss?  But I forget that the Religion of the Perpetually Offended is outrageed by mere pictures.
 
 
From National Review, lead editorial:
 
Free Steyn

By the Editors

Our readers know Mark Steyn well. His witty and learned commentary appears in every issue of National Review, and in many other English publications across the world. What Steyn?s American readers may not know is that a Muslim advocacy group in his native Canada is doing its best to muzzle him.

On December 4, the Canadian Islamic Congress announced that it had filed a complaint with three of Canada?s ?human rights commissions? over an October 2006 article that Steyn had published in Maclean?s, Canada?s leading news weekly. ?This article completely misrepresents Canadian Muslims? values, their community, and their religion,? said Faisal Joseph, an attorney representing the complainants, in a press release. ?We feel that it is imperative to challenge Maclean?s biased portrayal of Muslims in order to protect Canadian multiculturalism and tolerance.?

The article in question was adapted from Steyn?s recent book America Alone, which argues that Western society may be irrevocably altered — and not for the better — by unassimilated Muslim immigration. It?s no surprise that this thesis is controversial, probably in part because Steyn makes his points so well. But the real threat to tolerance here is the CIC, which would have the state impose penalties on those whose writings it disagrees with.

In doing so it only provides evidence for Steyn?s thesis. Another group of Canadian Muslims — the Muslim Canadian Congress — has said as much, denouncing the CIC?s complaint for affirming ?the stereotype that Muslims have little empathy for vigorous debate and democracy.? But at the moment, the CIC?s push for censorship advances. Of the three human-rights commissions to which it submitted its complaint, two have agreed to hear the case. (The third has yet to decide.)

Since their founding, Canada?s human-rights commissions have done less to protect the rights of minorities than to undermine the liberties of everyone. To get an idea of what they?re like, consider the recent case of Stephen Boissoin.

Boissoin, a Baptist minister, learned that the Alberta Human Rights Commission was funding an initiative that described homosexuality as ?normal, necessary, acceptable and productive.? Boissoin objected to this and wanted to make his views known. As he put it to a Canadian Internet publication: ?[I] felt that as a taxpayer, and indirect funder of this initiative through my tax dollars, I had a right to communicate my opinion which is reflective of my religious beliefs. In an attempt to do so, I decided to potentially share my opinion at large by submitting letters to the editor in newspapers.?

The publication of one such letter brought a complaint from a ?social justice? advocate, and Boissoin was dragged before the very body he had complained about — the Alberta Human Rights Commission. That was 2002. It took five years of anxiety-filled and expensive legal proceedings for the commission to rule against Boissoin. They determined that he had violated Alberta?s laws because there was, as one commission member put it, a ?circumstantial connection? between the publication of the letter and an incident of gay-bashing. ?Circumstantial connection? is of cours
 
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