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Subject: The Flag Flap
Griffin    4/26/2006 10:51:14 PM
Recently the media and the Liberals have had 'fun' making the lowering of the Canadian Flag on Parliament Hill and issue, when a soldier is killed. Here is my take. Guys, this is nothing but political gamesmenship, a public unaware of most things military, tied to an equally and disturbingly uninformed media - some of whom are blatantly anti-conservative and/or anti-military, along with an inept government media process. The lowering of the Canadian Flag on Parliament Hill, would be the equivalent if the US flag was lowered on Capital Hill, and at the White House everytime a US soldier, sailor, or air force member dies. This lowering of the flag was started for partisan political purposes to try and make people think that former PM Jean Chretien and his former Finance Minister/former PM Paul Martin gave a rat's ass about the Canadian military. In fact these two did more to hurt Canadian military personnel and their families than any other PM since PM King, and for non-Canadians this would take us back more than a 1/2 century. The Liberals under these two characters gutted funding to a military that had undergone cutbacks for 3-decades and then they slashed the funding by 23% - the largest cut to any department. This very recent, and I'd suggest unsound policy, was done to make the Liberals look good, and not because it followed either historic norms, nor followed military protocol. Secondly, showing families grieving upon the return of their fallen loved ones was something that many soldiers and ex-soldiers have troubles with, and this did occur in the last few years. There will be plenty of time for Canadians to mourn with the families, especially service personnel who knew the deceased, when they have formal memorial services, which the regiments hold, and those services are usually covered by the media. Getting back to the flag issue, can you imagine if in the US as an example, that the White House, Capital Building, and every federal building perpetually had the flag at half mast for each soldier killed. Well that is extactly what would have happened in Iraq, or in Korea, or WWII, and WWI. That would have given the enemy comfort while doing precious little for the morale of the troops, nor give comfort to those at home. I would also hazard a guess that I doubt if the regimental HQ flew their flags at half mast for the same reasons; especially with losses that ran into the hundreds of thousands when adding up all the losses in WWII. The real problem here is political gamesmanship, a public and media that are totally uneducated as to these matters, and an inept media approach by a government that is too top down heavy in media control. At least that's the way I see it.
 
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AdvanceAustralia    RE:The Flag Flap   4/26/2006 11:18:14 PM
What have the media been saying?
 
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Ehran    RE:The Flag Flap   4/27/2006 10:10:51 PM
i am inclined to think it's a good idea to lower the flag as a mark of respect and just possibly to remind those elected souls that people are dying on their behalf.
 
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Griffin    RE:The Flag Flap   4/28/2006 1:08:12 AM
AdvanceAustralia: "What have the media been saying?" Well they were picking up the nonsense by the Liberals and the NDP (Socialists) who have an anti-military bias as proven in what both supported in defence cuts, etc. while now trying to wrap themselves up in the flag and in the 'fate' of the soldiers and their families. A couple of years back our most discredited PM in decades Jean Chretien, who was anti-military to the core but a shrewd politician, had the flag on Parliament Hill lowered to half mast after our first KIA in 2002 in a 'Friendly Fire' incident. He also was on hand at CFB Trenton when the KIA arrived and media was invited to show his concern. Yeah right, the same S.O.B. that so cutback the CF that we were unable to provide our soldiers with our own CAS! This new practice of course did not follow either military protocol, nor parliamentary tradition, but showed to the public his concern. This nonsense continued with the Liberal PM successor Paul Martin, who one couldn't trust either, but hell it made for good photo's. Never mind the poor families who on the first occassion of meeting the reality of seeing their loved ones in a flagged draped casket, were exposed to national media coverage. The current government said they were not going to follow either Liberal example and there would be plenty of time for the media to cover subsequent regimental memorial services, but at the this first occassion for the families the decent thing was to give them some privacy. This was met with mixed comments by family members, some well intentioned but misguided phone in speakers on talk shows, but not defended by many in the military and some of their families. The central media, a Liberal compromised lot if ever any, picked up the Liberals attacks as the Conservatives being unfeeling, showing disrespect, etc. etc. Of course all the while failing to mention facts like the memorial services that would have full media access etc, and the maddening thing is that the media played that line up for days until finally some current and ex-military personnel started to call in and set the record straight. Had the government also talked about the negative impact on the countries morale had we done this in either two world wars or in Korea it would have given the enemy great comfort and a propaganda win. Sadly, they lost this opportunity and by not properly communicating with an already hostile media due to some of their ill thought out PR controls, was a recipe for further problems. All in all a poor showing.
 
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Griffin    RE:The Flag Flap   4/28/2006 1:12:15 AM
Oh and I almost forgot, the media picked up again on the Bush bashing by saying PM Harper was trying to hide our fallen from the media like what George Bush did. That always would raise the hackles of a small but vocal anti-American crowd, and of course this always sat well with the NDP and Liberals. Oh before I forget, the media just gobbled all this up and ran sometimes near hysterical coverage without giving the other side. Thankfully enough citizens calling or writing have pointed out the other side of the equation and not from a political, but military point of view and that is now starting to be reported.
 
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AdvanceAustralia    RE:The Flag Flap   4/28/2006 2:21:56 AM
It is an absolute disgrace how the lefties use any death (or any circumstances surrounding the death) of a soldier to whip up a frenzy against the govt. We had a soldier die in Iraq due to an accidental gunshot to the head on the weekend and already the media are starting to accuse the govt of a cover-up (even the Murdoch-owned "The Australian" has this as the headline today). The Army is still investigating to ensure they have the correct facts to tell the family but that's not good enough for our journo's. They want a story and they want it now. Of course it didn't help that the contractor in Kuwait that repatriates the bodies sent the wrong body home...
 
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Griffin    RE:The Flag Flap   4/28/2006 10:53:30 PM
What really riles me up these days are the 'gotcha' journalists who will harrass people into making comments that otherwise they would not have made,or they play cute with the facts, or disguise their articles as news stories when in fact they are more editorial. Now don't get me wrong, in a free and democratic state we need editorials; but they should not be disguised as news. Then of course you have the subtle and sometimes blatant reporting that is done in order to support a particular idealogy or pet project of a particular political party. In Canada we have seen far too much of the central media, and especially the Ottawa media, siding with what they call Canada's Liberal Party the 'natural governing party', or words to that effect. Another example of why I detest some reporters, as compared to the good one's, is where they picked up the Liberal Party's line that if the people in the west wanted more from Ottawa, they should vote Liberal. In any other context that would be extortion, but here you not only had Liberal MP's and cabinet ministers saying this in the last decade, but that offensive line was then mimicked by the central media, and in particular the 'talking heads'. I just wished we had an elected Senate like in OZ or along the lines of the USA, as a counterweight to this abuse.
 
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AdvanceAustralia    RE:The Flag Flap   4/28/2006 11:22:50 PM
"I just wished we had an elected Senate like in OZ..." Griffin, you would absolutely love the elected Senate we have at the moment - the conservatives have the majority in both Houses of Parliament (funny how our conversatives are the Liberal Party). The left and its friends in the mainstream media can screech, gnash their teeth and pull their hair out all they like but they can't do a thing to stop conservative legislation being passed (eg legislation was passed recently in industrial relations reform similar to what caused the latest riots in France). Happy Days! PS, what do you mean when you say "central media"? Is that the equivalent of MSM?
 
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Griffin    RE:The Flag Flap   5/5/2006 10:46:56 PM
AdvanceAustralia: "PS, what do you mean when you say "central media"? Is that the equivalent of MSM? " Central media refers to the media out of central Canada and in particular in Ontario, which slants things all too often against the Conservatives and shows a very narrow minded view of things Canadian if it is outside of Ontario. With poor political controls like what you Aussies have, there are real problems ensuring that all parts of the country are treated equally.
 
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