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Subject: The Quarterdeck
Kokoda    11/29/2005 6:44:12 AM
It came up in the "Who Is That Fekker On The Quarterdeck" topic about what is the "quarterdeck". In the Royal Navy, and consequently other Commonwealth Navies, the aft section of the ship was designated the quarterdeck. It used to be marked with a brass strip on the deck, and everybody was supposed to salute when stepping over the strip. That "custom" no longer exists. The "quarterdeck" traditionally marks "officers' territory", as in days gone by all officers were accommodated aft. This, of course, has changed, with officers' cabins being either beneath the bridge as well as in the "traditional" area aft. However, the quarterdeck remains the quarterdeck. If, when alongside, a ship has two brows, then the after one leads onto the quarterdeck and is for officers (or "distinguished persons")only. In the Commonwealth Navies, when stepping on board we don't turn aft and salute the ensign - we salute the ship as we either step onto or off the brow. Hope this clears things up for the American members. Kokoda
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:The Quarterdeck   11/30/2005 7:16:54 PM
What would a "poop deck" be then?
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EW3    RE:The Quarterdeck   11/30/2005 7:32:34 PM
Poop deck is exactly what you think it is. Usually, on old sailing vessels, it was usually under the quarterdeck. In a traditional 3 masted whaling vessel, the maindeck (weather deck) ran all the way to the stern. In the last 25% of it, one side it had the poop part of the deck and on the other side the ships galley. (both were placed at the stern for good reason) Above it was the quarterdeck, a deck that literally extended from the stern for about 25% of the length of the main deck. Usually the masters cabin and officers country had a ladder that gave entry to the area under the poop deck/galley part of the maindeck. Sort of a quartedeck beneath the main deck. The reason being it gave the officers ready access to the part of the ship that was really the "control part" equivalent to todays bridge. Even in the modern USN the captains cabin is usually about 30 seconds or less from the bridge. (Our captains cabin was literally 8 feet from the bridge)
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:The Quarterdeck   11/30/2005 7:43:32 PM
Thanks for the info. I was wondering. :) TAC
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skrip00    RE:The Quarterdeck   11/30/2005 8:03:51 PM
Can someone post a pic of a modern vessel's quarter deck and an older one's (like the sailing kind)? Im kinda lost.
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Yimmy    RE:The Quarterdeck   11/30/2005 8:11:59 PM
What ships did you serve on EW3?
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EW3    RE:The Quarterdeck   12/1/2005 9:46:03 PM
A Tango in the RVN, and the DE-1038 in the Atlantic. But I'm a sailor and have a love for sailing ships. The Charles W Morgan (Mystic CT) is what I used as an example to explain the idea of the poop deck and quaterdeck. Truth be told, the sailing clippers and many other sailing vessels don't follow the quidelines I gave, but it is where the terms come from as far as I can tell. It's sort of like why a ship is referred to as a she, even when she is named Abraham Lincoln. ;) I'll try top post an image of an old style sailing ship with a quarterdeck. Goes back a loooooong way.
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EW3    RE:The Quarterdeck A pic of an old one   12/1/2005 10:03:57 PM"> On the left side of this example you can see the raised deck which is called the quarterdeck. (OK they were not good at math back then!) It is where the wheel of the ship was and essentially gave the officer in charge an overview of the crew beneath him. The space under that deck was usually used for pooping and cooking. And not necessairly in that order. The idea was to isolate the are where fire was, and to leave "other" things behind you. (Also suspect it was located there as it was closer to officers country. To make it less obvious when an officer would poop. Of course we all know officer's don't poop.) I gather on some ships the master's cabin was located by the galley. The poor crew who lived further forward and beneath the main deck used "buckets" to relieve their problems.
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Nichevo    RE:The Quarterdeck A pic of an old one EW#   12/9/2005 11:05:23 PM
Sorry, man, I have to chime in. In sailing ships the main "head" was indeed at the head of the ship, so that before the wind the smell would not infest the ship. Certainly this was the case in the Royal Navy. Officers may have had what Patrick O'Brian called 'stern-galleries,' but I thought that solely for the captain. The lion's share of the quarterdeck was indeed the - dear me, in the Navy they can't call it a ceiling or roof any more than you call the deck the floor, what do you call it? - overhead the captain's cabin, which in comparison to everyone else's Tokyo-coffin-style accomodations, was the most luxurious arrangement of space that could be provided. RHIP, of course. The officers, indeed, had forward of that, IIRC. I think "poop" must relate to some less scatological origin, E-dub. I would need a source to be sure.
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Nichevo    RE:The Quarterdeck A pic of an old one   12/9/2005 11:06:37 PM
Of course you said an old one. Your example might in fact predate the Royal Navy, let alone Nelson.
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Nichevo    RE:The Quarterdeck A pic of an old one   12/9/2005 11:07:09 PM
Of course you said an old one. Your example might in fact predate the Royal Navy, let alone Nelson. No fo'c'sle, even.
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