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Subject: ww2 Yamato vs Iowa class
capt soap 9/17/2005 12:55:11 PM

How would this fight turn out? the Iowa's 16 inch guns against the Yamato 18 guns? The iowa had radar,which one would sink the other 1 on 1.

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JFKY Qasi1 6/10/2009 10:04:45 AM

That's stupid..if it survived its a battleship.....

For guy that's read a lot you sure do seem ignorant...check out navweapons.com....look thru the technology section/pares...quite a raft of info there...info that allows one to hypothesize about conflicts concerning vessels...because the raw data on armour, armour configuration, and gun power ARE available. It does allow modeling that shows that the Iowas were better vessels than the Yamato's...based on armour quality, armour configuration, and gun power.

Herald all I can say is that the Iowa's were capable of decapping any shell in the inventory...the armour was capable of de-capping 18.5" AP rounds...weapons that don't exist. It made for a very survivable platform...I ralize that is not STOPPING a shell, but it certainly aided in the surviving of a shell hit by limiting subsequent penetration and setting the base delay fuze into operation.

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JFKY Qasi1 6/10/2009 11:20:24 AM

The Hood was a great ship until she was sunk and then in retrospect all the problems of her manufacture became more important, If she had not been sunk, then the Hood would be the greatest of all ships. Oh that is funny the Hood was a battleship until she was sunk then she was compared to a battle cruiser.

An example of your silliness. It was NOT in "retrospect" the British were VERY aware of Hood's defects, or the Royal Navy was. They had intended to rebuild and refit her, but the war intervened and it was felt that she was needed on the gunline, not in the dry dock so her rebuild was postponed. The admiral in command of the task force realized Hoods problems and attempted to minimize them with his course, sadly he did not execute his tactics well enough and Bismarck put the fatal hit on Hood. But please don't fool yourself about thinking "everyone thought HMS Hood was the greatest of all ships" because the people who were paid to know, KNEW she was not...

And Hood was built as a Battlecruiser, not a Battleship...she was a follow-on to the WWI BC's...in build and development BEFORE the end of the First World War. Hood did NOT reflect the lessons of WWI, the design being too far advanced to alter. So again, the "facts" you bring tot he table, sure don't seem like "facts" to me...and I'm hardly anything close to being a devotee of naval affairs.

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JFKY Impossible, but 6/10/2009 12:03:45 PM

the Japanese would have been better off taking the Yamato and Musashi and converting them into 2 Shokaku's, another Hei, another Tone, a Nagara, and 4 more destroyers....for about 110,000 tons of shipping. Yes not really possible, but just work with me here. Japan certainly would have derived more benefit from another carrier division and its supporting units than 2 Super-Battleships that accomplished little save to absorb an inordinate number of torpedoes and bombs...

Shinano would have been "spent" becoming 50 1,500 ton DE's for the Japanese SLoC's rather than a fairly expensive and inefficient CV that never launched a combat sortie.

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quasi1 Imposible, but 6/11/2009 12:38:25 AM

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Herald12345 6/11/2009 12:52:08 AM

Quite true, the joint was a problem, The shanano was also sunk on the way to fitting out. It had no water tight measures in place. The shanano was going to be a large waste of money anyway. It was not fast enough and was to be used as a repair depo at sea.

Even wth this fault, no other ship in the world could have sustained the damage that her sister ships took by torpedos and keep going.

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Herald12345 6/11/2009 12:52:38 AM

Even wth this fault, no other ship in the world could have sustained the damage that her sister ships took by torpedos and keep going.

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Herald12345 6/11/2009 12:53:49 AM

Its spelled in English, Shinano, "Shanano", in Japanese, is not a nice word..

The watertight doors not fitted to Shinano is contested. A poorly trained fatalistic crew did not help either, but Musashi with a fully trained and highly motivated crew, was hit only six times by Mark 13s which were even punier than the three Mark 14's at that same jointline. We can confirm three Mark 14s which hit Shinano. On the Musashi we can confirm six torpedo hits None of the bombs we dropped on her deck armor did squat as the 1000 poun ders all burst outside the belt not pentrating the vbibble or the Musashb citadel at all.

Even with this fault, no other ship in the world could have sustained the damage that her sister ships took by torpedos and keep going.

Bismark (3 Mark British XII +3 Mark IX ) . North Carolina (at least 2 Type 91s), Saratoga (2 Type 91s confirmed), Hornet (at least 14 torpedoes! Six Mark 15s, three Type 91s, Five Type 93s and almost 500 5' shells and two 880 lb bombs that blew out her hanger), Yorktown, (At least two Type 91s, Three Mark 15s and a successful scuttling attempt on top of the two bombs.). What about USS Laffey?

USS Laffey?

Hello? The Yamatos were JUNK.

Herald

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quasi1 Impossible, but 6/11/2009 1:09:04 AM

Cool at last a discussion topic instead of a torent of insults at me to make yourself look better.

The " if it survives, it's a battleship" remark is flipent, meant as humour, you are spending to much time tring to make me look stupid.

I have issued no facts, just discussion. You are like the site bully that gets very uppity if people dont agree with you.

I have read all the site's you mentioned and I have read historic battles, between ships.

The most important thing to remember is reality is seldom the same as what is on paper.

The Iowa was a very good ship. I have no arguement with that. The 16/50 was a very good gun with a very good projectile.

That does not change this, unless you can penetrate a magazine, you can not easily sink a ship by gunfire only. You said the Iowa would win hands down and that is not the case. You can not gaurantee this

If the two ships were to face off at 20k and shot at each other, now that would be a fight.

I am heading off for a few days, so while you come up with some new ways to insult me, I will set up some "numbers" and get back you.

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quasi1 Herald12345 6/11/2009 6:09:55 AM

Sorry about the spelling, don't always check.

I have been fascinated by the amount of torpedoes that the Hornet took and 400 5" rounds. But must admit have not done much study into it.

What about the USS Laffey, great career, Lucky too.

Masuhi was hit by around 19 torpedoes and 17 bombs, there are no confirmed numbers for hits and as the wreck has never been found (the Japanese will not allow a search) there can be no confirmation.

The question originally asked was: Yamato vs Iowa "How would this fight turn out". Now unless the Iowa could fly ,drop bombs or Torpedoes, your comment "hello, the Yamatos were junk" has no substance.

They put 400 rounds of 5'' shells into the hornet and it did not sink. The Yamato and the Iowa could shoot at each other all day and not sink each other.

With out a hit to a magazine, projectile hits are not going to sink a battleship. Within her projected immunity zone Iowa can if she hits yamato's side armour correctly, penetrate the ship, but not necessarily penetrate Yamatos magazine. At this range 21k to 32k Iowa can not penetrate Yamato's deck. How ever Yamato can penetrate Iowas deck and side Armour, yes I know about the Iowas very good STS decapping Armour, but be assured a projectile weighing over 3000lbs traveling at over the speed of sound still does a lot of damage.

The Iowa has better fire control, but within 30k and at probably the 22-23k the real action would start this may make little difference.

I am not taking side's on ether ship. I would love to see these two ships put to the test.

I still believe, if it is a shell for shell contest, that only shear American patriotism would say the the Yamato did not have a chance. If the Americans had believed that the Iowa was good enough to take on the Yamato, they would not have started building the Montana class to combat the Yamato danger.

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quasi1 Shanano 6/11/2009 6:40:32 AM

Almost forgot, Shanano is not rude in Japanese, It can and is used as a name.

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