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Subject: ww2 Yamato vs Iowa class
capt soap    9/17/2005 12:55:11 PM
How would this fight turn out? the Iowa's 16 inch guns against the Yamato 18 guns? The iowa had radar,which one would sink the other 1 on 1.
 
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Leech       7/7/2009 7:21:32 AM







Leech Wrote:







Kriegsmarine did not expected war with Britain until 1944., at which point they would have 10 H-class battleships and overall strength to fight Royal Navy on equal terms. Hitler messed Raeder's plans when he attacked Poland. Raeder planned (plan Z) to built 10 battleships, 4 aircraft carriers, 3 battlecruisers, 8 heavy cruisers, 44 light cruisers, 68 destroyers and 249 U-boats by 1944., which was meant to challenge naval might of United Kingdom.









Yes, of course I know about Plan Z....But that is not my point. What I was talking about was the quality of leadership in the Kriegsmarine. As I said in my earlier thread, outside of a few examples, their record was very poor. On those rare occasions when the fight was more or less fair, The RN usually got the best of them.   Initiative was frown upon. 




 




Two examples.




 




1)       Marschall attacks and sinks HMS Glorious and escorts. Reader puts him ashore for having the gall to disregard an order to attack Harstad (which Marschall knew had been abandoned. The Admiral never went to sea for KM again




 




2)       Captain Hoffman of Scharnhorst attempts to Lure Ramillies away from a convoy it is protecting with hopes that this will allow Gneisenau free to attack the then unguarded ships. Lutjens calls off the attack and reprimands the Captain for his actions.




 




 




The high seas fleet?s obsession with not taking risk tells me that their problem was only partially a lack of ships. It was also incompetence. At the tactical, strategic and planning levels.
 
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Leech    Something for listening   7/7/2009 10:56:44 AM
Johhny Horton-Sink the Bismark
 
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Herald12345    Dander up.   7/7/2009 1:26:50 PM















Leech Wrote:















Kriegsmarine did not expected war with Britain until 1944., at which point they would have 10 H-class battleships and overall strength to fight Royal Navy on equal terms. Hitler messed Raeder's plans when he attacked Poland. Raeder planned (plan Z) to built 10 battleships, 4 aircraft carriers, 3 battlecruisers, 8 heavy cruisers, 44 light cruisers, 68 destroyers and 249 U-boats by 1944., which was meant to challenge naval might of United Kingdom.




















Yes, of course I know about Plan Z....But that is not my point. What I was talking about was the quality of leadership in the Kriegsmarine. As I said in my earlier thread, outside of a few examples, their record was very poor. On those rare occasions when the fight was more or less fair, The RN usually got the best of them.   Initiative was frown upon. 








 








Two examples.








 








1)       Marschall attacks and sinks HMS Glorious and escorts. Reader puts him ashore for having the gall to disregard an order to attack Harstad (which Marschall knew had been abandoned. The Admiral never went to sea for KM again








 








2)       Captain Hoffman of Scharnhorst attempts to Lure Ramillies away from a convoy it is protecting with hopes that this will allow Gneisenau free to attack the then unguarded ships. Lutjens calls off the attack and reprimands the Captain for his actions.








 








 








The high seas fleet?s obsession with not taking risk tells me that their problem was only partially a lack of ships. It was also incompetence. At the tactical, strategic and planning levels.
 
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Leech       7/7/2009 2:09:24 PM
Marschall, that's right.
 
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Leech       7/7/2009 2:10:38 PM
HMS Glorius looks like she was cruiser converted to carrier.
 
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Herald12345       7/7/2009 3:41:49 PM
http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/photos/aircraft_carriers/glorious_77/hms_glorious.jpg" width="744" height="423" />
 
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elclip1       7/7/2009 3:43:28 PM

HMS Glorius looks like she was cruiser converted to carrier.

She was a converted WW-1 "light" battle-cruiser or "Large light cruiser". There were three of them: Furious, Courageous and Glorious.  

They were odd ships with two 15" turrets. They did see some action in WW-1, but were not successful. Called the "outrageous" class, all three were converted to carriers after the war. 

 
 
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Herald12345       7/7/2009 3:48:28 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/HMS_Glorious_-_Battlecruiser.JPG" width="747" height="206" />
 
Incompetent basically is what the conversion was, after the overrated Jackie Fisher saddled the RN with these jokes..

 
 
 
 
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Herald12345    Better but still not very good.   7/7/2009 3:50:16 PM
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h52000/h52366.jpg" width="740" height="530" />
 
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Herald12345    Better but still not very good.   7/7/2009 3:52:52 PM
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/histories/cv01-langley/lang1923.jpg" width="800" height="509" />
 
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