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Subject: SBS/SAS still the best?
Johnny Frost    5/7/2003 2:44:23 PM
I didnt hear much about the british special forces in Iraq (Not that suprising as silence is UK govt policy I know) but what I did hear sounded a bit worrying. see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2983905.stm . Are they still the world leaders, or are the US catching up. On another matter in Afganistan this time. It was muted in UK papers that an SAS solider was awarded the VC for a cave action in Afganistan, involing an entire squardron of the SAS. Does anyone know any more about this story? is it true?
 
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EW3    who cares....   9/18/2007 8:10:48 PM
just enjoy the results...
 

Diggers take it to Taliban

Mark Dodd | September 19, 2007

AUSTRALIAN special forces in Afghanistan have struck at Taliban insurgents in their heartland in a series of secretive, brutal engagements waged across some of the most hostile terrain the commandos and Special Air Service troopers have ever fought in.

The fight for south-central Oruzgan province was a pivotal battle and one with crucial security implications, the commander of Australia's special forces, Major General Mike Hindmarsh, said yesterday.

In a rare interview, Major General Hindmarsh said SAS operations had thrown the Taliban "off balance", helping prevent insurgent attacks on the key provincial centres of Tarin Kowt and Kandahar.

"The Taliban, they're tough resilient fighters, but they're also a nasty bunch of bastards and our guys are very happy about the work they're doing there," he told The Australian.

The hard fighting has come at a cost, with 14 Australian special forces soldiers wounded since deploying to Afghanistan in 2005.

This year, emboldened Taliban insurgents have mounted repeated attacks against NATO-led coalition forces, resulting in the worst violence in Afghanistan since the Islamic extremists were ousted from power in 2001.

Suicide bombings have soared and about 4000 people have been killed over the past 12 months, a quarter of them civilians.

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates warned yesterday that Afghanistan was a "litmus test" for NATO and would be "a mark of shame on all of us" if the alliance faltered in laying the foundations for democracy there.

The fact that there have been no Australian fatalities owes as much to good luck as the intensive training special forces undergo.

In several injury cases, a "few millimetres" difference would have resulted in certain death, Major General Hindmarsh said, referring to recent close fighting.

"One thing we can't be accused of is being obsessed with force protection - in other words, staying in base camp and venturing out every now and again," he said. "We like to patrol, and patrol in depth, which means well out, and we like to do it for lengthy periods of time.

"Our special forces modus operandi in Afghanistan is to get out there - get among the enemy and spend a long time in their (the Taliban's) safe areas, becoming as familiar with that environment as the enemy."

That involved gruelling patrols lasting a week or more into rugged mountainous terrain where the temperature ranged from 50C in summer to minus 15C in winter.

The environment was hard on vehicles and harder on the soldiers, requiring extreme levels of fitness and mental toughness, Major General Hindmarsh said. Every aspect of a patrol was meticulously planned.

The secret war pitting Australian special forces against the Taliban was classic counter-insurgency involving small, long-range patrols pushing deep into enemy territory, he said.

The effect had been "unsettling" for the Taliban and had helped thwart attacks on the city of Kandahar and the town of Tarin Kowt, where the Australian reconstruction taskforce is based.

Major General Hindmarsh was unapologetic about the level of secrecy surrounding SAS operations in Afghanistan. The Taliban were technically savvy, had access to the internet and closely monitored any news involving the movement of Australian special forces, he said.

The elite Perth-based Special Air Service Regiment marks its 50th anniversary this week.

 
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bob the brit       9/26/2007 12:19:56 PM

Despite the idiotic ramblings of some on this page, even British publications like "Jane's Intelligence" regard US Special Forces and Spec Ops as the best in the world. Their are any number of documented incidents when SAS/SBS incompetence led to Rangers, Force Recon Units, SEALs and Delta units having to rescue British Special Forces from Southern Afghanistan and save them from getting thier "Asses" handed to them by the Taliban/Al Qaida.

 

British units were ahead of the US untill the early 90's, by that time niether the British or even the Israelis have been able to match tthe US in Spec Ops, (or any other military scenario). Any doubts about this can be quelled by the fact that US Special Forces and the US Military routinely whups up on their British counterparts in wargames staged annually. The people on this site need to accept that Britian is no longer a military superpower, America took that title after we rescued Britian from a crushing defeat at the hands of Germany....and despite the desperate wiashes of Soylint Green, and other dellusionals....we still own that title, and will for years to come....deal with it like men and stop whining like little english school girls.


i know it's old, but i think we've found our comment of the year.
i wonder if he'll return to this thread? i hope he does, it's awfuly entertaining.
i wonder when the "best special forces in the world" title ceremony takes place. i'd really like to go
 
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Been Their    SAS/SBS   1/6/2010 6:58:14 PM
 Force recon 79, sorry but I disagree with your statement about UK and Israeli SF, on jollies on fort Polk 22 SAS still hold the record for not being found! (just a game! we train hard and work easy) As for helping out UKSF in a jam we do the same for the US but don?t tell the press. For anyone to slag off Israeli intelligence gathering and SF doesn?t rate high in my book. We are all the best in our own way, but don?t need prove it with the pen. We are solders not poets or writers ( not at least until we leave the Regiment). This is the first time I have posted on an internet site, I have looked at them for a few years now, But never felt the need to get involved.
 
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JTR~~    excellent reply   3/18/2010 2:19:11 PM

Second, the article you posted isn't really an example of anything. Certainly nothing conclusive or indicative of any general trend for better or worse. Actually, it does tell you something. The guys successfully walked over 100 miles across the desert. Without getting captured. Which is an achievement in itself.


i was going to say the same thing myself, i cant see how this article can come across as the SAS losing their touch. i refers to nothing of the sort, stuff like that happens even to the best , and its not anything too major anyway.

 
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JTR~~    excellent reply   3/18/2010 2:26:19 PM




Despite the idiotic ramblings of some on this page, even British publications like "Jane's Intelligence" regard US Special Forces and Spec Ops as the best in the world. Their are any number of documented incidents when SAS/SBS incompetence led to Rangers, Force Recon Units, SEALs and Delta units having to rescue British Special Forces from Southern Afghanistan and save them from getting thier "Asses" handed to them by the Taliban/Al Qaida.



 



British units were ahead of the US untill the early 90's, by that time niether the British or even the Israelis have been able to match tthe US in Spec Ops, (or any other military scenario). Any doubts about this can be quelled by the fact that US Special Forces and the US Military routinely whups up on their British counterparts in wargames staged annually. The people on this site need to accept that Britian is no longer a military superpower, America took that title after we rescued Britian from a crushing defeat at the hands of Germany....and despite the desperate wiashes of Soylint Green, and other dellusionals....we still own that title, and will for years to come....deal with it like men and stop whining like little english school girls.




i know it's old, but i think we've found our comment of the year.
i wonder if he'll return to this thread? i hope he does, it's awfuly entertaining.

i wonder when the "best special forces in the world" title ceremony takes place. i'd really like to gohttp://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/images/emsmile.gif" alt="" />


haha, whoever you just quoted obviously knows nothing of a balanced argument, "the SAS having their asses handed to them", i think not, i do not know what SAS he was referring too but it was the real SAS, perhaps he imagined a new SAS? i dont know. perhaps someone should tell him that Americas "spec ops" were based on British "army" units (SAS are not spec ops, they can simply perform that role when needed), so before this guy goes making comments about them, maybe he should take his criticisms to the SAS/SBS themselves, and then they can have a nice quiet word with him in the killhouse

just a thought, and yes i would like to go to the ceremony as well, do you think it will be like the Oscars??

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thongdongalong       9/16/2010 6:25:42 PM
you sure about that? Because its not how i remember it. 
 
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thongdongalong       9/16/2010 6:32:14 PM
I agree with what your saying but serious, your making out your an ex SAS. Mate i can tell straight away you aint :) 
 
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