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Subject: A Bloody Huge Frigate
SYSOP    7/17/2017 6:09:31 AM
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trenchsol       7/17/2017 7:05:34 AM
No more 114mm / 4.5 '' gun... There is a 127mm / 5" one ?
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Nate Dog       7/18/2017 8:47:25 AM
more to the point. an 8,000 ton frigate? $1.6B price tag? Yeah, right, talk about mission creep. In what possible way is this not a Destroyer? Other, of course than the catastrophically tiny crew. Who comes up with these ship designs? Good luck with preforming any kind of damage control on such a large ship with so many disparate systems with such a tiny crew. Wow.
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Cracker       7/18/2017 10:03:19 PM
Any thoughts on how the Type 26 might fit the US need for frigates?
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Nate Dog       7/18/2017 11:46:36 PM
Well, They're complaining about paying $500M for existing designs, reminiscing about $300m Perry's (which weren't very good ships really, and weren't good for much other than sub hunting) so i dont see how this over-sized pseudo frigate near Areligh would fit the bill. Never mind that's its apparently more expensive than an Arliegh Burke. So no. Not a realistic fit. I don't know what is, nor do i suspect the American Naval Planners. The environment is so volatile right now, its hard to know what type of ship you'll need in 5 years, never mind in 10, which is realistically when the first of class would come into its own. All you know currently is that budget's are going to be tight and not going to get looser any time soon. I'd say trying to find something that can fit as many agnostic systems as possible while being able to power them (over power likely as all the coming weapons are going to be energy density heavy rather than volume heavy) while still being an under 4,000 ton ocean going vessel is your best bet. Think something along the lines of the German MEKO-200 class of heavy frigates. You're going to need crews for ships this size, no matter how much automation you stick in them, as maintenance must still be done, and damage control still requires warm bodies, we're 30 years away from having that level of automation so dont count on it now. Remember, warships aren't designed around not being hit, that's inevitable, they're designed to be able to take a hit and keep on functioning to some extent (redundant system, damage control, etc). Sticking 80 sailors on a can this size is liable to get them all killed. Unfortunately, that's almost certainly what is going to happen as with no existential war looming and budgets ever tightening we're likely to get more of the same under manned (read cheaper, way cheaper, manpower being the number 1 cost to any armed forces department) overly expensive (in the short term, cheaper long term with less manpower) ships with numerous failures. You were saying?
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