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Subject: only 10 50. cals on a modern aircraft carrier!
stinger    11/4/2007 8:12:19 PM
now somethings got to be wrong with this, they have missiles and then they have small arms nothing in between. i know they can out run any boat in the world in the open waters but what about in the straits. they shoulnt rely on the destroyers to protect them. they are just asunder guned if you call it that. lets get some real weapons back on our ships..
 
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ambush       11/23/2007 7:51:50 PM
As for the suggestion on installing TOWs, there may have been some changes in the last decade or two, but when I knew 'em, TOW wasn't very useful shooting across water due to the guidence wires shorting out.
 

 Way back when the Corps was still replacing the good old 106 RCL with the TOW we underwent some TOW training. If I remember correctly (and this was with the earliest versions) the TOW could fire over water but range was reduced to around 1,800 meters if both launcher and target were on the water. This was because of the increased capacitive coupling between the wires when the wires were submerged over a long distance. The higher the target or launcher are above the water the greater the range because less wire was submerged during flight.

I agree with other posters.  Deense should be basedon circumstances and let us nto under sell th fireopwoer 10 .50 cals giv e you when dealign with a small craft threat.
The CSG has a whole has more than adequate resources to deal with such a threat

 
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VelocityVector       11/25/2007 11:41:51 PM

I hadn't thought that anybody would interpret my mention of TOW in a literal sense.  I was simply attempting to illustrate there are many different types of weaps out there which *could* be useful for defending a CGN but they aren't necessary for the reasons GF had stated.  It had been my idea to choke off an escalating "we need something with more oomph than a mere .50, let's bring back hull casements" thread creep.  That was all.  FWIW it may not be the best of ideas to shoot Phalanx in a harbor filled with friendlies and fuelies ;>)

v^2

 
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Yimmy       11/26/2007 5:46:30 PM
I have mentioned this before, but I think mortars are ideal for protecting warships.  Todays threats are in the form of small boghammer type gunboats armed with RPG's, and fast suicide boats packed with explosives.
 
With the introduction of guided mortar rounds for engaging tanks, you can have a central rotating mortar mount which can provide all round protection out to several km's, while landing a large HE air-burst charge onto the target.  With delayed detonation munitions you could even use it against small diesel submarines or mines in the litorials. 
 
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gf0012-aust       11/26/2007 7:00:16 PM

With the introduction of guided mortar rounds for engaging tanks, you can have a central rotating mortar mount which can provide all round protection out to several km's, while landing a large HE air-burst charge onto the target.  With delayed detonation munitions you could even use it against small diesel submarines or mines in the litorials. 

NLOS

 
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blacksmith       11/27/2007 9:10:54 PM
I would stick with the Phalanx.  a) they're already on the ship, complete with integration with fire control system or their own sensors. b) their response is near instantaneous.  You decide the boat should go away...it's gone.  As opposed to having a boat closing on your ship at 50-60 knots and you sitting there staring at your watch waiting for that mortar shell you threw into the air to come down.  a) Phalanx can fix pretty much anything that is going to ail you; aircraft, boats, cruise missiles, the other guys mortar shells, rockets.  Won't do submarines or swimmers.  Sorry.
 
Firing in port?  Reload Phalanxes with time delay shells when in port.  They blow up on contact or after incindiary burnout.  Puts a fixed range on their reach.
 
Not a delay fuze for sub.  Contact fuze like hedgehog.  Submarines are not as thinskinned as surface ships.  A mortar going off anywhere except in contact is just going to ring their bells.  Depth charges that were used as proximity warheads were 600 pounds.  And even then you had to get the depth right.  Also, if the sub actuallly has evil in its heart, its torpedoes will outrange the mortar.
 
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gf0012-aust       11/27/2007 9:57:22 PM




With the introduction of guided mortar rounds for engaging tanks, you can have a central rotating mortar mount which can provide all round protection out to several km's, while landing a large HE air-burst charge onto the target.  With delayed detonation munitions you could even use it against small diesel submarines or mines in the litorials. 



NLOS



I should have expanded a little.

NLOS can provide a delivery vehicle opportunity to deliver an airburst as well as patterned ASW capability
 
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stinger       2/6/2008 1:05:57 AM
how about adding the 57mm to carriers and placing them amidship and then a couple 30mm on the corners, that would pretty much cover the gap between the 50.cals
 
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benellim4       2/6/2008 4:57:47 PM

how about adding the 57mm to carriers and placing them amidship and then a couple 30mm on the corners, that would pretty much cover the gap between the 50.cals


How about we let the USN decide how to arm its carriers?

Your posts smack of "metooitis." It looks like you've read about the armament on Russian carriers and have decided that US carriers are somehow deficient. They are not, but in order to make you understand exactly why, I'd have to get into the realm of the classified. I like my clearance too damn much for that.
 
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stinger       2/9/2008 6:26:50 PM
Has anybody heard of or scene a tri  barrel  GAU-19A 50.cal on any surface vessels?
 
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benellim4       2/9/2008 6:40:10 PM
Not in the USN.
 
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