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Subject: How would you defend Taiwan from PRC attack
    10/5/2007 6:34:14 PM
Hey Folks, How an d with what equipment would yu use to defend Taiwan from a PRC attack with the oblective to limit the war to the two of them???? Sincerely, Keith
 
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Old Codger       10/13/2010 12:40:14 AM
Yellichink,
 
 All of your scenario (and mine) is an act of war, no less than an actual invasion.
 
That will leave the PRC as a pariah in the UN with almost certain expulsion, and with probable UN trade sanctions and embargos that will close her factories in a month.  That will send the workers home without a job and in a VERY bad mood!
 
All of this discussion is hypothetical, and my comments are restricted to actual defence of an invasion, and remember a blockade runner with a US flag on top would be a BIG challenge to the PRC, especially if that freighter has 3x Carrier Battle Groups as escort.
 
And if the 747 flying Taipei to LA is one of American Airlines or United Airlines?
 
 
 
OC
 
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Old Codger       10/13/2010 12:56:22 AM
Yellichink,
 
 
"So, the possible scenario is that a POTUS made a deal with commies to sell us out."
 
 
 
Actually, I am not certain that the USA has a written Treaty with the ROC that obligates it to defend her if invaded or blockaded, BUT,  the fact remains that the world believes that she has given that undertaking.
 
If the USA stood by and watched the PRC invade or blockade the ROC then ALL of America's friends (and enemies) would know that the word of the USA meant NOTHING!
 
Israel and Japan could never rely on her, nor could South Korea, or even NATO. Let alone Australia with the ANZUS Treaty.
 
My personal bet is that the USA would act in your defence.
 
OC
 
 
 PS,   The PRC holds about US$800 billion in US Treasury Bonds, together with about another US$800 billion in Wall Street shares.   In addition,a large % of what her factories produce goes to the USA.
 
 The PRC cannot afford to piss off her greatest customer, and to whom she has invested US$1.6 TRILLION!!!!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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YelliChink       10/13/2010 10:44:16 AM
POTUS loosens sanctions on C-130 to PRC
 
 
President Obama issued a waiver loosening Tiananmen arms sanctions for C-130 military transports for China a day after the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to an imprisoned Chinese dissident who dedicated the prize this past weekend to the victims of the 1989 crackdown.
 
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ker       10/13/2010 1:44:02 PM
Is there political resistance against building costal defences?  Just for symbolic reasons 
 
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YelliChink       10/13/2010 1:50:33 PM

Is there political resistance against building costal defences?  Just for symbolic reasons 


There is always commie-infiltrated groups calling for ceasing military purchases from the US, but the society in general do want to buy more advanced weapons. There is no political resistance to build up costal defense. In some area, local people would like to build very large concrete levies to stop the flood. However, that never passes environmental evaluation.
 
The mental disorder called liberalism does not effect Taiwan to the degree of detrimental societal suicide the way the US and the West is going right now.
 
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ker       10/13/2010 3:43:09 PM
Is there political resistance against building costal defences?  Just for symbolic reasons 
 
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Reactive       10/13/2010 3:58:35 PM



Is there political resistance against building costal defences?  Just for symbolic reasons 





There is always commie-infiltrated groups calling for ceasing military purchases from the US, but the society in general do want to buy more advanced weapons. There is no political resistance to build up costal defense. In some area, local people would like to build very large concrete levies to stop the flood. However, that never passes environmental evaluation.

 

The mental disorder called liberalism does not effect Taiwan to the degree of detrimental societal suicide the way the US and the West is going right now.

A certain amount of liberalism is not a bad thing, and I don't think "societal suicide" is quite fair, Liberalism, like any political viewpoint has benefits and drawbacks, a balance between right and left wing politics that trends slightly to the right being the optimal situation in my view.
 
I must admit though, ardent pacifists, CND campaigners and the like do make me think that a lot of those of a liberal persuasion tend to have a very idealised, almost childlike view of the world, the sort of naivety that dictators and regimes around the world use to their great benefit.
 
R
 
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Old Codger       10/13/2010 5:06:56 PM
For all their talk and threats,  I really doubt that the PRC will ever try to invade or blockade Taiwan.
 
The task is FAR bigger than Normandy, the opposition is far greater and more accomplished, and the geography of it, together with the logistics is simply too dangerous.
 
The Chinese do not like to "lose face",  and there is a BIG danger of that.
 
 
 
OC
 
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YelliChink       10/13/2010 7:38:56 PM

A certain amount of liberalism is not a bad thing, and I don't think "societal suicide" is quite fair, Liberalism, like any political viewpoint has benefits and drawbacks, a balance between right and left wing politics that trends slightly to the right being the optimal situation in my view. 
I must admit though, ardent pacifists, CND campaigners and the like do make me think that a lot of those of a liberal persuasion tend to have a very idealised, almost childlike view of the world, the sort of naivety that dictators and regimes around the world use to their great benefit.

R



As we speak today, liberalism is not the old liberalism of JFK. When you have a ideology that stands for dissolution of borders by supporting amnesty of illegal alien, degrades culture by promoting LGBT and every perverted life style and, and dilutes the cohesion by Balkanization through income, language, religion and racial barriers, you have an ideology of national suicide.
 
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YelliChink       10/13/2010 11:45:39 PM



Those illegal aliens are indigenous to the land.  It was stolen from them and to use violence to continue to enforce that theft is wrong.  They deserve more respect.  Lots of Americans are very closely related to those illegal immigrants and are willing to shoot cops because they hate Anglo-American imperialism.  Our honor and the quality of our future depend on showing them respect.  You don't want an IRA style guerilla rebellion down here in "Aztlan" believe me.  Brown people make fine Americans if you show them respect.  They also make excellent organized criminals if you don't.


You have no right to suppress the freedoms of lesbians, bisexuals, gays or transsexuals. 


I am a liberal because I believe all people have inalienable rights which the government has no authority to take away, including the right to property (in the form of land or labor) that was stolen from their ancestors. Inheritance breaks the game.

 



First of all, native people who are living within the border of the US since ancient times aren't the ones who are crossing the border. Second, Mexicans are not Aztlan. They are a lot like Filipinos which are mixed race between many tribes, whites included. Third of all, I came from a land stolen from native people as well. So go play with yourself. Fourth of all, not all illegals are from Central America, and don't call them brown people you racist. There are 40,000+ Chinese citizens under ICE custody, and there are Canadian and European illegals. Among the worst of all, the Hezbollah illegal. You have to be dumb and drugged to believe illegal alien problem is a Mexican problem. It is not. It is a national survival issue, and it is a human rights issue. Many Mexicans were imported to be slave labors, and many Mexicanas are forced into prostitution, often forced to engage in unprotected sex. Oh not to mention drug cartels are using the opportunity to make big bucks. If you can't control your border, you have no nation. If your government don't enforce the law, or choosing laws they feel like to enforce, then you have no rule of law. You have a gangster government instead.
 
No one is talking about suppressing freedom of LGBT. They have full freedom to live their fucked up lives as long as they don't bother me. It is promoting their life style and making them look better than they really are, THAT IS THE PROBLEM. How fucked up your mental capacity needs be to get you through transgender operation? How fucked up a man's mind needs to be for him to accept anal sex? And tell me why STD infection rate among homosexual men is way, way, WAAAAAAYYYYY higher than normal people? And tell me why Ms. Degenerate's former girl friend married a man? There is no equivalence between normal people to LGBT. You don't seem to understand that. Let me tell you a story. Before I see a lot of white people in Taipei City street, homosexual orgy is unheard of, and homosexuality is treated as a mental disorder. After I start to see white people here and there in Taipei City, news reports of police raids on homosexual orgy, which usually combined with drug abuse and unprotected men-to-men sex, started to appear, often with HIV positive cases as well. That's the kind of life style you want to promote? Why don't you go to the nearest gay bar and experience it yourself?
 
I grew up being indoctrinated as a National (democratic) Socialist, but even socialists don't buy the mental disorder called liberalism. If you go around the world try to tell colored people to live by the ideas of liberalism, they will spit in your face and kick you out of their border. Don't believe me? You'd better be.
 
If after reading this you still are a liberal, go seek medical treatment.
 
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