It does not deserve any answer Herald.

Now Indian force evaluate to field mica on SU30 as Israelis are interested by ASTER.Other buffoon armed forces after France, UK and Italy I guess?

Ok let me give you this senerio and  give me a honest replay

lets just say for the  the sake of argument that the Falklands belonged

to the Russians and Argentina invaded do you think the Russian Navy

can go that far away from their shores and take on the Argentinian Navy

and win, and if you really belive this expelain how you think they can do this,

you also said that the Russian Navy was more of a Defensive Navy, so I

want to know how you think they can do this, because I know that they

at this moment can not do this.

Sources on Israel, liar?

You mean the despicable Marcel Lahoud tried to con IAI, a competent Israeli  missile firm to join the befuddled MBDA in 2004 in a joint agreement to fix what his engineers told him was wrong with ASTER after Raytheon told him to GO TO HELL?

Herald

That was Marwan Lahoud. My error. Apologies to Marcel Lahoud, whoever he is.

By the way,is Marwan Lahoud related to Emile Lahoud?

 

Herald. .

Well first of all usajoe , French did not do this either , it was UK.
And this happened a while ago , at that time it was Soviet navy not Russian navy.
I wait for more elaboration from you and then il answer

What he is asking is whether you believe that the Russian Navy is capable of taking on a similar task to the retaking of the Falklands, i.e. an expeditionary mission, many thousands of kilometers from home, without any land based support. This is a true test of a Navy's power projection capability, since it requires power projection, and denies land based support, i.e. genuine power projection. The ability to conduct operations within your own region is not true power projection, since it does not require power to be projected. Power projection requires the ability to support operations outside of normal home basing, hence the Falklands was power projection for the UK, but really wasn't for the Argentines.

 

If you believe that the Russian Navy could conduct an operation like the Falklands recovery, then give your reasoning. The Russian Navy is still very much built on cold war sub and anti-sub operations, not power projection...

 

As for my comment about Scalp Naval being in the future, and Russia having a lot of big plans, the two are not the same. Scalp Naval is a logical derivation of existing technology, which is currently in the design phase, and should be ready in the relatively near future. Russian plans for new subs, with the exception of the tiny number currently in the planning or construction phase, are much further off, if they happen at all.

 

I do not seek to belittle the achievements of the Soviet Union during the cold war, but that was a very different time, with a much larger population under Soviet influence, and with an economy which channelled about a quarter of its entire GDP into defence. Russia is not the same, and I doubt it could achieve the same results, nor should it wish to. There is no need for Russia to try to spend all its money on its military, and even if it does, it risks alienating many nations - it risks ending up with only rogue states like North Korea and Iran as friends. Instead, Russia could put its money into education, science, and protecting free speech, and reforming its military to deal with genuine threats, not trying to pretend that there is a threat, just to tighten the grip on power. The west has no interest in invading Russia, so why spend hard earned money on building up the nuclear strike capability?

How would Russia retake the Falklands if it was the offended power or to put it a different way, if Britain had Russian gear and the gear was maintained and worked at British standards what would Gordon Brown use and how would he ram it down the Argentinians' throats?

 

Hardware list

 

Aircraft carrying ship. This is the Kuznetsov-properly called an aviation defense ship, the Kuznetsov can support ASW and AAW air defense operations. Its Sukhois and Migs will give a good account of themselves in defense against the Argentinian air force The Kamov ASW and ASh helos will have trouble though, their sensors are at best what I would describe as fair. The AAW Kamovs are much better being atr least as good as the RN AEW helo birds for air defense. this will be a tough air defense barrier for the AAF and ANAF to fight. Not much left over for CAS ashore as the Russian[British Royal Marines] Naval infantry try to land and take Goose Green

 

Very large rocket ship.Pyotr Velikiy This is what we mistakenly call a battlecruiser. Originally it was supposed to be a one way trip launch platform for aircraft carrier and North Atlantic troop convoy killing ASh cruise missiles. In this context of a Falklands invasion, though, the very large rocket ship has to function as it was never intended to function. It has to be the AAW area defense ship. If it has the Kamov type 33h air surveillance radar and if its S-300 rocket launchers have the latest fire control system improvements then it will be a difficult problem for the Argentinians to crack. as it will be a credible AAW defensae ship. At leat as good as a Type 43 with Sea Dart, probably much better. 

 

 Large rocket ship. The Sovremenniys are not exactly what we would call Ticonderogas.m they are unique in that they are ASh warfare vessels-a cheaper version of the VLRS Kirovs. Their cruise missiles are smaller and much shorter ranged. To be perfectly honest I never understood what the Russians thought they were doing with these ships. SUNBURN  is simply not good enough to justify trying to deploy these rocket ships as convoy killers. In the context of the falklands the Russians [RN] would use these as close in point defense AAW SAM ships.

 

Large antisubmarine vessel. the Udaloys have been falsely compared to the Spruance class. the most likely version we'd see empliyed is the Udaloy 1s which make these vessels approximately equivalent to a reduced Oliver Hazard Perry in capability. as these arer the Russian. Navy's dedicated ASW rocket vessels, the best youn can say for the Russian Navy's [RN's] capital ship survival chances, depending on this type of vessel for ASW defense; if a Argentine sub got in close is that the chances are "poor". This is one time, where even a Laughitup, would be a tremendous ASW improvement.   

 

Logistics.

 

Not good. The Russian Navy was/is a sortie fleet. Though it was intended to fight in the North atlantic and its legacy fleet still is designed for that mission, this fleet has to go three times farther, and stay at sea until the falklands they retake. No russian fleet has ever done that, ever.

 

AORs, these are the Boris Chillikins. You would need three of them plus at least two modified commercial tankers to support the Russian fleet.

 

Bringing in the troops;

 

Very large landing ship; Mitrofan Moskalenko with a capacity for up to eighty tanks and a battalion of armor this would give the Russian Naval Infantry [Royal Marines] something that wasn't there in the original Falklands campaign. medium armor support. The trouble is you only have the ONE ship.       

 

Then you have to scrape up every Ropucha and Tapir [Alligator] you have laid up. You need about five of them MINIMUM. that gives you lift for just about 2000 troops and 80 combat vehicles. You are going to need at least one or maybe two Baltic car ferries or an ocean liner as troop transports.

 

This force has to travel with its own collection of mne warfare ships.

 

 

While that polyglot surface fleet heads south of Buenos Aires, you will be trying to clean uo the battlespace with your naval striking arm, your submarines.

 

Here Russia has some hope.

 

The likely mix is one Antey [Oscar] class submarine and two Schukas [Akulas]. This would be

I agree with most of youre post Herald.

 

However on the subject of armour - the lac of armour in the british campaign is because it was felt the terrain was not suitible, however the cvrt performed far better than anticipated.

 

With that in mind i doubt russia would attempt to land large quantities of armour. i would expect to see greater number of aviation assets both attack and transport.